This is one of the newer articles on the EFS site. I'm interested as to what you guys think of this training. I know it's not ideal by any means for powerlifting, but i'm not a huge fan of the "bodybuilding" section of these forums, so thats why I post it here. I also dont plan on giving this program a try, I just am interested in all types of training, so I wanted to get some thoughts about it.
Originally Posted by http://www.tmuscle.com/free_online_article/sports_body_training_performance/my_greatest_gains_ever_dave_tate
I thought the same thing. Could be worth a try. Then again, Dave is doing everything right along with this, I think any training would work in that situation.
So he switched from heavy, low-rep work to lighter high-rep work, and made gains. What's the question?
Brad - there is no question, I just thought it was a good read, and posted it for some discussion.
I never really gave much thought to the whole time under tension thing. Thats why I was interested in getting some more info about it.
Now Dave us using TUT for a different reason. He's using the optimal time to promote hypertrophy.
I didn't find the article very surprising. This is COMPLETELY different from how he's been training for -what? 15, 20 years? Of course he's going to put on some serious mass.
Though I'd probably give it a try at some point anyways.
Stats: 11/15/07-First-meet--2nd Meet----3rd meet
Max Bench: 255---220-----------280------300
Max Squat: 405----395----------440------460
CHINUPS - Bodyweight + 135, x1, dead hang. Still working on the one arm chinup.
This is nothing new; these programs have been around for a while and they do make practical sense.
Any type of training to failure will produce gains - high intensity (heavier) weights will produce more strength gains whereas lower intensity (weight) exercises will lead more toward hypertrophy.
Along the lines of what Vincent said, Dave Tate pays great attention to his diet and other factors as well. He could probably do just about any training program and realize some pretty good gains, especially with his powerlifting strength base and genetics.
It is always good to mix things up though and this could be a great program for someone looking for hyptertrophy who typically only spends 15-30 seconds under tension.
What's this?? Dave Tate BBing!!??
Vin, say it aint so!
Thanks for the info guys. I used a stop watch to time a few of my sets. Usually a heavier set of 10, will take me about 30 seconds or so. It kinda put things into perspective for me.
I also agree that no matter what program he is on, he can make some huge gains just on the basis of his diet, rest, etc..
In a way, this brings up an interesting point. There are some larger professional and national level bodybuilders who are VERY strong in the bench and the squat. These guys have raw lifts that are on par with some of the best powerlifters (not the VERY best, but the upper echelon).
Now, said bodybuilders certainly don't train like powerlifters. They don't normally train specifically for strength in the sense that they use higher rep sets.
This is actually a very interesting topic to me, but one which requires more writing than I have time for right now. I will say here that the extreme hypertrophy exhibited by said bodybuilders definitely aids their raw strength and training for hypertrophy is something that should be a greater part of the consideration for any strength athlete (I know about weight classes, different point - I am speaking of optimizing one's strength).
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