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It’s no secret that when people contradict themselves, it has the effect of making the flaws in their actions or statements seem glaringly obvious. But what about when WE ourselves get caught contradicting ourselves by someone else?

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    Indifference in rehab

    Alright so its about damn time I started one of these. I enjoy checking out everybody elses progress and its time I contribute. I will preface by saying I have a bad left rotator cuff so any motion over horizontal hurts like a SOB. Now onto the good stuff


    11/25/07

    Deads (conv)
    225x3
    315x1
    335x3x2
    355x3

    Pullups wide
    5x1
    Shoulder said NO MORE

    Lat Pulldown
    165x8
    195x8
    215x8

    Plate loaded rows
    90x8
    135x8
    180x8

    Shrugs
    405x8x3

    Side Bends
    56lb KB+5lb 3x8

    Notes
    Kept it brief today. Wasnt expecting anything b/c its been Iron Bowl weekend down here and theres been much alcohol consumption and no sleep at all but it was still good. Oh, and I hate my shoulder.
    Last edited by Indifference; 01-22-2008 at 07:36 PM.
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    11/27/2007

    Barbell Benchpress
    185x3
    225x3 Shoulder giving me issues
    225x2
    225x2
    205x7
    205x6

    I really hate my rotator cuff.

    Dips
    BWx8
    BW+25x8
    BW+45x8

    Dumbell Benchpress
    55x5
    70x5
    80x5 Shoulder again

    Close Grip
    135x8x3

    Curls
    doesnt matter

    Decided to go. Really hate my shoulder right now. It seems anything over 205 makes it feel unstable. Ive had an MRI and nothing is torn so I guess its just something I get to deal with.
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    Wide grip pullups are the absolute last thing you should be doing if you have a bad RC. Don't go wider than shoulder width from now on. This goes for pulldowns as well obviously.

    What's your form like for bench pressing? Do you arch? Pull your shoulder blades together? Tuck your elbows? If you're not doing these things they may all be reasons your shoulder hurts while bench pressing.

    I don't know what's wrong with your shoulder but I used to have a TON of shoulder issues while I was playing waterpolo. Training with good technique and training my upper back hard has virtually gotten rid of all my shoulder issues.
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    Squat - 595lbs -- 270kg -- Dec. 31, '09 (Provincial Record @100kg class)
    Bench - 374lbs -- 170kg -- Dec 20, '08 (@100kg class)
    Dead - 589lbs -- 267.5kg -- Dec 20, '08 (Provincial Record @100kg class)
    Total: 1537lbs -- 697.5kg -- Dec 20, '08 (Provincial Record @ 100kg class)
    Bench Only -- 358lbs -- 162.5kg -- Nov. 25, '07 (Provincial Record @ 90kg class)
    Bench Only -- 376lbs -- 171kg -- Jan. 26, '08 (Provincial Record @ 100kg class)

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    Thanks Deeder.

    I'll definitely cut out the wider than shoulder grip pullups. I've actually never felt pain doing pullups before but if anything ever causes me shoulder pain I stop whatever it is right away.

    I bench with an arch and I try to bring my shoulder blades together. The one thing thats helped with the pain the most is trying to *bend* the bar with my grip to keep my elbows tucked in and it helps alot. However I think I slipped up on this on my early sets and flared my elbows out and that caused enough irritation to stop me from being able to finish heavy.

    If theres any key things specifically you did for your upper back or to help your RC at all please post them b/c I would love to be able to go 100% again.
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    11/29/2007

    ROAR

    Box Squats Weight bench used as box ~ parallel on squat
    warmup
    225x5
    315x3
    355x3 (PR +20lb +3rep)
    375x3 (PR +40lb +3rep)

    Hell yeah! Fast and strong. Could have done 405 at least once.

    Good Mornings
    135x5
    185x5
    225x5 (PR +20lb +5rep)

    One of those good days

    Isolated Leg Curl
    60x8
    80x8
    100x5 (hams and glutes died)

    SLDL
    225x5x2


    After the second set of SLDL my posterior chain couldnt take it anymore. Overall an awesome workout and I really feel my glutes and hamstrings are getting much stronger.
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    12/01/07

    Attempted some shoulder work and r/c work today.

    Just trying to shoulder press 25lb dumbells caused some intense pain so I gave up on it. Did some heavy shrugs and incline press machines just to feel not as worthless. Ended up with some insane proprioreception in my fingers and elbow b/c of my shoulder.

    blah.
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    12/03/07
    No more sweet and sour chicken before pulls.

    Deads
    225x3
    315x1
    355x3
    355x3 2nd one i threw up s&s chicken and swallowed it.
    315x3

    half the calories twice the flavor!

    Shoulder width Lat pulls (thanks Deeder)
    195x8
    195x8
    195x8

    Plate loaded Rows
    115x8
    135x8
    180x8

    HyperExtensions
    66x8
    66x8
    66x8

    Abs


    Not so keen on S&S chicken before pulling anymore. Definitely cant wait to pull again.
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    nice deads man
    2000 or bust

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    ahahah I did the same thing today with some Mcdonalds ( I was in a hurry ) but in the middle of my squats. I'm with stumprrp, nice deads.
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    Strong squats and deads recently!

    Weighted pullups and rows of all kinds are what brought my back up to par. My problem was essentially an imbalance between the chest and upper back. When I first started weight training (read: the first 4 years or so) I didn't really do any upper back work.

    You could try to do some direct RC work also. I think there's an article (with Sensei as a model) with all sorts of different RC exercises... I'll go see if I can find it for you
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    Bench - 374lbs -- 170kg -- Dec 20, '08 (@100kg class)
    Dead - 589lbs -- 267.5kg -- Dec 20, '08 (Provincial Record @100kg class)
    Total: 1537lbs -- 697.5kg -- Dec 20, '08 (Provincial Record @ 100kg class)
    Bench Only -- 358lbs -- 162.5kg -- Nov. 25, '07 (Provincial Record @ 90kg class)
    Bench Only -- 376lbs -- 171kg -- Jan. 26, '08 (Provincial Record @ 100kg class)

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    Full Powerlifting
    Squat - 595lbs -- 270kg -- Dec. 31, '09 (Provincial Record @100kg class)
    Bench - 374lbs -- 170kg -- Dec 20, '08 (@100kg class)
    Dead - 589lbs -- 267.5kg -- Dec 20, '08 (Provincial Record @100kg class)
    Total: 1537lbs -- 697.5kg -- Dec 20, '08 (Provincial Record @ 100kg class)
    Bench Only -- 358lbs -- 162.5kg -- Nov. 25, '07 (Provincial Record @ 90kg class)
    Bench Only -- 376lbs -- 171kg -- Jan. 26, '08 (Provincial Record @ 100kg class)

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    12/05/07

    Finals are coming and I get to squat on friday!

    Barbell Bench
    WUxalot
    185x3
    225x2
    225x2
    225x2
    205x5
    205x1 (tired)

    Im such a ****in benchpress barbie I swear

    Dips
    BW+25x8
    BW+45x8
    BW+45x8
    BWx10

    DBell Benchpress
    65x8
    80x5
    80x5

    Lying Tricep Pullover
    55x8x4

    Curls n Fly machine thing (gay)


    Well the good news is I didnt have an ounce of shoulder pain at all today which i GUESS I should be ecstatic about, but im not. I look forward to squat and deadlift day like its my damn birthday but i hate benching. I really need to get my act together and work on some sort of program or something and start eating like hell again to get that BP up... k done emoing.
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    Nice job man, off to a consistent start in here.

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    nice benching man, can't wait till I hit 225. What day do you do shoulders on?
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    Thanks cards and coke and mcstump

    Cards - some weeks I dont do shoulders on but usually I like to bench on monday, squat on wednesday, shoulders thurs or friday and pull on sunday
    But sometimes it all gets messed up cause of class and I just try to include the big 3 days or if my shoulder is giving me issues ill skip it

    Deeder - big thanks for that article ill be checking it out soon as i get back from this study session


    Gonna squat effin heavy tonight! Already pumped!
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    What are your goals and what does you training look like?

    So far it seems you are making solid progress, congrats on the lack of shoulder pain as well.
    PRs: 655/525/645 = 1825 Total
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    My goals... my goals are to be able to do what you guys do. You, tommy, rhodes, everyone im forgetting, all the big guys that compete and move massive amounts of weight. I want to do that too, and theres nothing I wont do in order to do it.

    I was a small kid (6'2 145lb) most of high school and I lifted a lot (aimlessly). Got to uni and found wbb and ate my heart out. Got to 220 in a semester. Granted my lifts skyrocketed i did put on a bit of fat but nothing I cant stand looking at.

    Right now my training is

    Day1:
    Bench
    Weighted Dips
    some accessory motions
    (chest press machine, tricep pullover, pulldown, anything chest or tricep related)

    Day2:
    Squat or Box Squat
    Goodmornings
    SLDL
    leg curls or leg press
    maybe calf raises

    Day 3 (optional depending on how shoulder feels)
    Incline bench (bbell or dbell)
    shrug
    floor press
    front or side raise

    Day 4
    Deadlift (conventional)
    pullups or pulldowns
    rows (different types)
    hyperextensions

    Some days see more than others I try and lift according to how my body is feeling. At the moment Im eating whenever im hungry (bout every 4 hours) and its usually meat and something. Ive hardcore bulked before and I know I can put on weight much faster than is healthy (5+lbs a week).

    Also thanks for stopping by Sidior, anything you see that needs improvement or any suggestion or criticism or anything?
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    I can't believe I actually get to do this... WOO!
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    It seems like you have the right idea man! Only thing I would suggest is less box squatting if you don't plan on using equipment anytime soon. I over emphasized the box when I first started training and it really did not do much for my raw squat.
    PRs: 655/525/645 = 1825 Total
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    ****!

    Squat
    WU
    225x3
    315x3
    365x1 (10lb PR, this felt like air)
    385x****!

    Read notes

    Goodmornings
    135x5
    225x5
    245x5 (PR+20lb +5rep)
    265x5 (PR+40lb +5rep)

    Anger fueled.

    Isolated ham/glute leg press
    4PPL(leg)x8
    5PPLx8
    6PPLx8
    7PPLx8 (PR +1plate)

    Still angry as hell.

    SLDL
    WU
    135x5 and cramp and done.


    ****! So I had the 385 on my back and was going down and my left foot started to slide out of my sock! I was pretty pumped and my spotter had me so i went for the lift as i was in the hole. I *spreaded the ground* and if my spotter wasnt there It would have been ugly. Foot came out of the sock and went into the side rail. Id I had some flat shoes on I would have set a new PR and possibly a second PR.
    Needless to say I just contacted EliteFTS about getting a set of metal squat shoes since their shopping cart mechanism seems to be down.
    Oh, and I get stronger when im angry! lol.

    Edit: 3 plates and a quarter per side is actually 365, so I did actually set a PR and also had 385 not 375 on my back... cant wait till i get my friggin shoes!
    Last edited by Indifference; 12-07-2007 at 09:39 PM. Reason: i am unable to count.
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    damn man, nice squats and and goodmornings. It's always fun to hit the gym when you're pissed isn't it.
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    Good deal dude, got some serious plans to raise up, lol.

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    Haha yeah I do coke I want to be one strong mofo! Thanks!

    But tomorrow I have an organic chem final in the AM = death.

    oh well.
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    Good luck on the exam man. I'll try and follow your journal from here on out.

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    Great strength in here! Tough **** about the your sock coming off, but it happens.
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    But tomorrow I have an organic chem final in the AM = death.
    gym + bar = all better

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