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    All good benchers I need your opinion...

    Is this legit? If so, he is one of the strongest raw lifters in the world relative to body weight and especially considering he doesn't have a clue what he is doing:

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    The 550 did look pretty legit, I'll give him that.

    He's really risking a lower back injury by moving his hips all around like that while benching, but yeah, that looked legit.

    No way in the world he'll bench 50lbs more in one week LOL

    His "feel" sets aren't the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard of, but he'd have better luck with board and band training.

    Still though, a 550 bench at 12% bf is very very impressive.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Travis Bell View Post
    The 550 did look pretty legit, I'll give him that.

    He's really risking a lower back injury by moving his hips all around like that while benching, but yeah, that looked legit.

    No way in the world he'll bench 50lbs more in one week LOL

    His "feel" sets aren't the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard of, but he'd have better luck with board and band training.

    Still though, a 550 bench at 12% bf is very very impressive.
    though, if he is on the special juice would 50 lbs be reasonable?
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    Quote Originally Posted by dynamo View Post
    though, if he is on the special juice would 50 lbs be reasonable?
    That would have to be really really special.
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    I think the 550 is legit, I just think the guy is ******ed...luckily for him his chemist is not.
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    except all those people watching are now gonna start throwing their feet all over lol.

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    It didn't look as easy as he says it was, but it looked legit. What's his name?
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    Yeah that was by no means easy lawl.

    Still, how the hell someone gets that strong with having no idea what he's doing both dazzles and depresses me lawl.

    And at 205 lbs, that guy must be mega short.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reko View Post
    except all those people watching are now gonna start throwing their feet all over lol.
    If they watch Dave Hoff they are going to start putting truck bumpers and other large obejects under their shirts. Next time I bench I want a Honda Civic on my chest!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dingus View Post
    If they watch Dave Hoff they are going to start putting truck bumpers and other large obejects under their shirts. Next time I bench I want a Honda Civic on my chest!
    I dont, or I wouldnt be able to breath, I think I'll just take a 3 board under my singlet like Hoff did.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jesse Hernandez View Post
    I dont, or I wouldnt be able to breath, I think I'll just take a 3 board under my singlet like Hoff did.
    haha. and the hating carries over to a new thread. hahahahahahah.

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    haha. it has to..... from now one anyone cheating or doing something suspicious will be labeled as a "Hoffster"

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    Yeah, let's stop with that crap. Keep it to the thread. Wbb isn't going to become PlWatch or other sites with a continuous bunch of whining bitches who get a forum.


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    I agree with Travis. The 550, although not easy; was impressive at that weight and bodyfat level. But if he can add 50 lbs. to it in a week, I want some of that juice too! I've never even heard rumors of anything adding 50 lbs. to a raw bench in a week!...unless he pulls out a shirt next week! LOL! If he's coachable, and had someone knowledgable to work with him; he could obviously be phenominal!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hazerboy View Post
    Still, how the hell someone gets that strong with having no idea what he's doing both dazzles and depresses me lawl.
    Seriously. I'm sure he works real hard but that's a gift to be that strong with so little form. I have to wonder what kind of training he's cooked up--it probably would have left me injured 10x over if its anything like his form.

    Maybe they can copy his shoulders and paste them on my body...In the meantime, back to the gym.

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    Jesus, what is he, like 4'10" @205? Geez
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    looks strong as hell to me. Why do you say that its obvious he doesn't know what he is doing? Its obvious to me that he knows exactly what works for him. Speed benching, bands, chains, and boards aren't the only training methods that work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff Roark View Post
    looks strong as hell to me. Why do you say that its obvious he doesn't know what he is doing? Its obvious to me that he knows exactly what works for him. Speed benching, bands, chains, and boards aren't the only training methods that work.

    No, it was his form, the having 3 guys lift a weight for him he cannot, and so on that makes me say he has no clue.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff Roark View Post
    looks strong as hell to me. Why do you say that its obvious he doesn't know what he is doing? Its obvious to me that he knows exactly what works for him. Speed benching, bands, chains, and boards aren't the only training methods that work.
    Those feel sets are pointless and more abusive to his CNS than is near necessary.

    He's not training his lockout either, which is where he's struggling.

    Flopping his hips around like that is a really poor choice

    As far as strength training goes, he's certainly not doing nearly as much as he could to get a 600lb bench.

    Boards would achieve the same thing as his feel sets, with the added benefit of actually training a given range of motion. Bands will add to this benefit. I didn't mention speed benching or chains


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    Quote Originally Posted by Travis Bell View Post
    Those feel sets are pointless and more abusive to his CNS than is near necessary.

    He's not training his lockout either, which is where he's struggling.

    Flopping his hips around like that is a really poor choice

    As far as strength training goes, he's certainly not doing nearly as much as he could to get a 600lb bench.

    Boards would achieve the same thing as his feel sets, with the added benefit of actually training a given range of motion. Bands will add to this benefit. I didn't mention speed benching or chains


    Travis,
    How is feel sets any more abusive to his CNS than boards, reverse bands or lock outs from pins? How do you detrmine that? Its all overload, and he obviously is getting what he needs. Also, I am sure it wouldn't take much to bring his lockout along. But yeah, I do agree with the basic stuff like keeping a stable position and stuff like that, its obviously asking to get hurt.

    did I say you mentioned speed or chains? I am the one that mentioned them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff Roark View Post
    Travis,
    How is feel sets any more abusive to his CNS than boards, reverse bands or lock outs from pins? How do you detrmine that? Its all overload, and he obviously is getting what he needs. Also, I am sure it wouldn't take much to bring his lockout along. But yeah, I do agree with the basic stuff like keeping a stable position and stuff like that, its obviously asking to get hurt.

    did I say you mentioned speed or chains? I am the one that mentioned them.
    I think the kid is simply a genetic freak on the bench. The point, which I think you are missing, is that if he trained in a more strength focused fashion, he could progress more quickly and reach greater heights.

    Usain Bolt would be a very fast guy, perhaps even world class with improper training, but with the right training etc. he is the very best in the world by a significant margin. When good heredity meets a good work ethic and proper training the sky is the limit.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Travis Bell View Post
    Those feel sets are pointless and more abusive to his CNS than is near necessary.

    He's not training his lockout either, which is where he's struggling.

    Flopping his hips around like that is a really poor choice

    As far as strength training goes, he's certainly not doing nearly as much as he could to get a 600lb bench.

    Boards would achieve the same thing as his feel sets, with the added benefit of actually training a given range of motion. Bands will add to this benefit. I didn't mention speed benching or chains
    I was going to say the exact same things. The "feel" sets to overload the CNS and joints could be accomplished more efficiently by using bands and/or high boards.

    He's basically doing a crappy board press when he's doing those half reps or whatever

    I'd love to see this guy train smart for a year and see where his bench is, the video was impressive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff Roark View Post
    Travis,
    How is feel sets any more abusive to his CNS than boards, reverse bands or lock outs from pins? How do you detrmine that? Its all overload, and he obviously is getting what he needs. Also, I am sure it wouldn't take much to bring his lockout along. But yeah, I do agree with the basic stuff like keeping a stable position and stuff like that, its obviously asking to get hurt.

    did I say you mentioned speed or chains? I am the one that mentioned them.
    How do you measure how much it takes to bring his lockout along?

    His "feel" sets are more abusive than necessary is what I wrote.

    He's stressing his system out with holding way over what he's near capable of benching. How do I determine that? I've held weights that heavy and much heavier so I know what it does to your body and I'm saying he's needlessly going way heavier than what he needs to.

    Overload isn't all the same. Now if someone is benching 1000lbs it's a little different. To get the same effect, you're going to need to use a lot more weight.

    However, I feel that static holds are a waste of time anyways, which is essentially what his "feel" sets are. Either move the weight or don't


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    Quote Originally Posted by chris mason View Post
    I think the kid is simply a genetic freak on the bench. The point, which I think you are missing, is that if he trained in a more strength focused fashion, he could progress more quickly and reach greater heights.

    Usain Bolt would be a very fast guy, perhaps even world class with improper training, but with the right training etc. he is the very best in the world by a significant margin. When good heredity meets a good work ethic and proper training the sky is the limit.
    I agree Chris, but everything does not have to be westside to work. He is obviously doing something right, as ugly as it may appear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff Roark View Post
    I agree Chris, but everything does not have to be westside to work. He is obviously doing something right, as ugly as it may appear.
    Westside was not mentioned in this thread

    I'm sure every lifter at Westside would attest to its not the only training method that works, guys from other gyms hold world records too

    They also use bands and boards
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