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    Rare t-nation gem...

    I usually pretty skeptical of the "unheard of new training methodologies" t-nation sometimes touts (especially when its usually just a rehash of something I've already seen before), but today article looks pretty legit:


    http://www.tmuscle.com/free_online_a...the_glute_myth

    It makes some pretty phenomenal claims--"First, the experts don't know **** about the glutes. Yes, this means all of your favorite authors, professors, trainers, and coaches. Despite the fact that the gluteus maximus muscles are without a doubt the most important muscles in sports and the fact that strength coaches helped popularized "glute activation," none of them have a good understanding of glute training. Neither do bodybuilders, powerlifters, or physical therapists. They all think they do, but they don't."

    anyways, I'm inclined to believe him. I mean, Louie basically redefined how people trained their hamstrings with the GHR and the reverse hyper -- those were essentially two exercises no one had ever seen before, and now they're almost an essential in most powerlifting gyms. Until then, everyone just touted heavy SLDL. hell, I could SLDL 450+, but I could barely do bodyweight when I first started on the GHR. Now I'm up to bodyweight + heavier band for 4x10 and I've noticed a serious improvement in my squatting.

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    Thanks for sharing that article, Hazerboy. It's something to think about.

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    I'm going to try that bent-leg back extension on the GHR, looks like a decent assistance variation.
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    I'm agreeing and disagree with it. Its all quality information, but to say that "Yes, this means all of your favorite authors, professors, trainers, and coaches" in reference to their knowledge is a ****ing bold statement. More stupid T-nation/muscle over hype. The information has been around for quite a while now, especially if I know it quite well (for being just being a sports science enthusiest). Pffft, I'm off to do 100 pull throughs.

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    This is the best part:

    "Q: Ronnie Coleman had the best glutes of all time, and he never did hip thrusts. Neither did Andy Bolton, and he deadlifted more than any man in history. Usain Bolt is the world's fastest man, and he never did any hip thrusts. What gives?

    A: Ronnie's glutes would have been even bigger from hip thrusts. Andy Bolton could get stronger at his deadlift lockout if he did hip thrusts. And Usain Bolt could get even faster if he performed hip thrusts. They are that good! Expect this exercise to be very popular in time."

    I mean, the guy wrote a 675 page book on the glutes. He seems a bit obsessed. After 14 years of studying and training glutes this is the end result? I'd expect him to be a world class athlete in something with the way he talks about the importance of glutes and how great his training allegedly is.
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    Bolton could add 5lbs to his deadlift with hip thrusts. True story.

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    Interesting read, thanks!

    Might give this progression a shot going into a Men's hardball league this Spring and see how it works for me.

    I'm training my butt off, but my speed/explosiveness has always been a handicap, even in the best shape of my life and performing what my past coaches deemed "necessary" training geared toward it. I have a bum hammy too that likes to twang me every once in awhile, so anything I can do to protect it is awesome in my book.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Risk10k View Post
    Bolton could add 5lbs to his deadlift with hip thrusts. True story.
    Lol

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    Interesting read, however I think he overrates it a little. Here's why

    It's similar to me basing an entire bench program (bench program because I compete in the bench, if I were a football player it'd be football) around my JM press.

    When I started doing JM presses, I could only use 95lbs for sets of 8, now I've used 365 for sets of 8 and 425 for sets of 4. So my tri's are stronger. Cool.

    The real question is, do I bench more as a result? And the answer is, after a certain point I did not. It became time to focus on some other angle of my bench which right now is floor press.

    So back to the glute stuff he's emphasizing, mainly the hip thrust, yeah it's important, but you can't let it distract you from the main goal.

    That was one thing missing from his article. He didn't say how his athletes became better at their sport, he didn't say how the powerlifter squatted more or the bodybuilder got more shredded glutes. They just got stronger at the hip thrust or whatever.

    I will say the exercises he listed weren't bad ones at all. In fact some of them I noticed we've used at Westside for our athletes for quite some time.

    So to sum up, good stuff, he just over focused a little bit and lost perspective in my opinion


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    Quote Originally Posted by Risk10k View Post
    Bolton could add 5lbs to his deadlift with hip thrusts. True story.
    Lordy. You're right Risk - there's nothing new there for people who've been paying attention. Andy Bolton wrote that he had an "ass training day" at some point - I'm sure it was a joke, but not totally false either.

    FWIW, Kelley Baggett wrote an article about glutes quite a while ago w. an unsolicited plug for a couple of videos by yours truly in it. http://www.higher-faster-sports.com/noglutes.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by Travis Bell View Post
    Interesting read, however I think he overrates it a little. Here's why

    It's similar to me basing an entire bench program (bench program because I compete in the bench, if I were a football player it'd be football) around my JM press.

    When I started doing JM presses, I could only use 95lbs for sets of 8, now I've used 365 for sets of 8 and 425 for sets of 4. So my tri's are stronger. Cool.

    The real question is, do I bench more as a result? And the answer is, after a certain point I did not. It became time to focus on some other angle of my bench which right now is floor press.

    So back to the glute stuff he's emphasizing, mainly the hip thrust, yeah it's important, but you can't let it distract you from the main goal.

    That was one thing missing from his article. He didn't say how his athletes became better at their sport, he didn't say how the powerlifter squatted more or the bodybuilder got more shredded glutes. They just got stronger at the hip thrust or whatever.

    I will say the exercises he listed weren't bad ones at all. In fact some of them I noticed we've used at Westside for our athletes for quite some time.

    So to sum up, good stuff, he just over focused a little bit and lost perspective in my opinion
    I don't really see how its like basing an entire program around a single movement. I saw it more as "you're most likely really weak at all of these movements. Focusing on them could seriously benefit you." But I see what you mean. Thats sort of a problem of every t-nation article -- in one way or another, most of them want to change the entire way you train. Lots of hype, like someone else said. I guess after reading them every day while procrastinating i sort of ignore that.

    And yeah I though it was really strange how he didn't mention any of the RESULTS his clients got. Whats the deal?? Anyways, I'm going to try some of this stuff out and see how it goes. I've never really trained glutes specifically besides the occasional lunge.

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    two sets of 20 bodyweight hip thrusts, check

    two sets of 10 bodyweight single leg hip thrusts, check.

    i'll try a barbell during deload week next week.

    not really seeing what I'm "so weak" at...

    frankly I don't really see the difference in these things and Kettlebell swings, pull throughs, and the glute activation drills we do already.

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    I've done some of those single leg hip thrusts with my foot up on a ball, and honestly it was really hard at first and had to do them double legs for a while. Lots of those exercises are great prehab and rehab for back injuries, definitely wouldn't hurt to include them in your regimen, as to his claims....

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    Quote Originally Posted by isaku900 View Post
    frankly I don't really see the difference in these things and Kettlebell swings, pull throughs, and the glute activation drills we do already.
    I see the difference, there's one guys who's spent 14 years trying to come up with something different to a swing/pullthrough etc and thousands of other coaches, athletes and trainers who just got to the gym and did them to make them perform better!

    It makes sense but it's nothing new. Just trying to be different and failing.
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    It's like anything, try a few of the movements as accessory exercises and see if it helps your strength training or speed. If so, keep it up. If not, drop it.


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    That was one thing missing from his article. He didn't say how his athletes became better at their sport, he didn't say how the powerlifter squatted more or the bodybuilder got more shredded glutes. They just got stronger at the hip thrust or whatever.
    If you want bigger glutes then some of these movements will achieve that, but if you're after bigger squat/dlift, he himself admits that, unless you're working around an injury or your glutes are a limiting factor, they'll not do much for your max.

    Beyond ensuring glute activation/strength is optimal, as Tom said, ultimately you'll just be getting 'stronger on the hip thrust or whatever'.

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    Is it just me, or is this picture kind of funny. Veins all popping out screaming while he squats about 300 pounds

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigTallOx View Post
    Is it just me, or is this picture kind of funny. Veins all popping out screaming while he squats about 300 pounds
    That is how they do most staged photo shoots.


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    Quote Originally Posted by chris mason View Post
    That is how they do most staged photo shoots.
    I prefer realisim.. I want to see him doing 500+ to ensure that the look on his face is real.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LittleJake View Post
    I prefer realisim.. I want to see him doing 500+ to ensure that the look on his face is real.
    Me too, it kind of looses credibility to me otherwise, ie it's all for looks/ nothings real, so why should I believe anything on their site.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigTallOx View Post
    Me too, it kind of looses credibility to me otherwise, ie it's all for looks/ nothings real, so why should I believe anything on their site.
    LOL thats like saying just because there's an arnie picture at the top of this page everyone on this board endorses steroid use.

    I'll admit that t-nation has pretty awful formatting. I can't look at any of their pages at the library without looking like a total meathead -- large, cut up men lifting heavy weights everywhere, screaming, wearing very little clothing. Most of that crap is stock photos anyways - you'll see the same ones over and over rotated through the articles. But occasionally they have some really good stuff on there, and I respect some of what those guys do.

    Quote Originally Posted by chris mason View Post
    It's like anything, try a few of the movements as accessory exercises and see if it helps your strength training or speed. If so, keep it up. If not, drop it.
    Yeah thats basically how I took it. We'll see how it goes!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hazerboy View Post
    LOL thats like saying just because there's an arnie picture at the top of this page everyone on this board endorses steroid use.
    No it's not. I'd be like if that picture of Arnold was of him curling a 10 pound dumbbell and screaming, struggling like he wasn't going to be able to lift it. I'd just look plain silly, like that pic on that article. I didn't say the article was bad, just that the silly picture makes me not trust the site.

    Anybody can buy stock photos and create a site and say anything they want, if that's what they did, why would I attach any credibility to it?
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    usually the Atomic Dog articles are pretty funny, the only use I get out of the site

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigTallOx View Post
    Is it just me, or is this picture kind of funny. Veins all popping out screaming while he squats about 300 pounds
    I noticed that, as well. His spotter is screaming too and the squatter is wearing running shoes.


    It was an interesting article, though, but I agree with Ben.
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    Travis nailed it. If this stuff worked so great, then he'd have a gym full of athletes using it and getting better. I tend to believe someone like Louie. Louie has a gym full of athletes he makes better. This guys is just some weenie that reads a lot and clearly doesn't spend enough time in the gym lifting and/or coaching.
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