I thought I would share. After all im a giver, never a taker!
My day job is designing probiotics for the animal and livestock market. But, what I am going to tell you applies to you meatbags (( i mean humans)) as well.
If I were to tell you that you could increase your protein, vitamin and supplement absorption by atleast 10% after taking 2 weeks worth of probiotics and then continue taking them. You'd thank me right?
Yeah you would. Especially if your on a low cal diet and you still want to maintain strength.
Currently in my field probiotics (aka direct fed microbials) are being fed to animals to increase feed efficiency and mainly to get more muscle tissue on them. The best thing is it is a totally natural living organism and packing an animal's GI tract with beneficial microorganisms to aid in nutrient breakdown is without any bad side effects and you cannot over dose them on this.
See, food assimilation is largely handled by bacteria in the intestines. You have three types of bacteria. 1/3 good, 1/3 neutral and 1/3 pathogenic (these are your ecoli, salmonella,etc). Working out too much, work and emotional stress, sickness, age, your genetics and antibiotics can all change the normal pH level of the intestines and effect how you breakdown your food. Certain bacteria love fats and carbs but cant breakdown protien. Ever wonder why your a hard gainer? This just might be the reason. What probiotics do is load up your body with beneficial bacteria that are responsible for proper nutrition and they also help in building up your immune system. Since 70% of your immune system is based in the intestines. Probiotics help train your GALT (Gut Associated Lymphiod Tissue) to combat infections and crap like that. they also produce B vitamins and help assimilate protiens and amino acids much more efficiently. That is how livestock ranchers can get away with feed their animals such low grade food. As long as they feed probiotics along with it. They get increased feed efficiency.
So could you imagine your self talking probiotics along with your whey protein and the handfulls of supplement pills you take every day? your feed efficiency woulr skyrocket. You would pack on more muscle quicker and you would actually lose some fat because the good bacteria would change the ph level that is needed to support the bad bacteria that are responsible for fat breakdown. I am including a paper on animal use of probiotics
IF you guys are going to buy probiotics let me know so that I can give you the facts on buying probiotics that are actually alive and will work. Most ofthe probiotics being sold on the market right now are dead and wont do a thing for you.
Last edited by TallRob; 11-20-2009 at 12:30 PM.
Yes. I get them from the pharmacist. Refrigerated.
Nice write up, thanks!
With all the antibiotics we take, and the antibiotics in our meat products, it's a good idea for everyone to take a round of these at least every once-in-a-while.
Thanks for the reminder TallRob.
See, alot of people were just born or aquired bad bacteria as kids and it stays with them their whole life. If you were to sample the bacteria in a body biulder or proathlete that is heavely muscled and then compared that to some one that is obese and has a lot of depressive stress in their life. You will see a drastic difference in bacterial flora. Simply changing the bacteria make up in a fat person will kick off fat loss and muscle gain. Along with getting your fat ass off the couch.
Is there a brand to look for, or do you have any more info on where to get them?
Well you couldnt be any better than getting my companies products. But Im not going to turn this into an advert. But What I will do is give you information so that you can make a smart buy.
Things to look for in a good probiotic that will work as advertised.
1) How is it being sold?
You want to make sure that you are buying a probiotic that is shipped to you or a store under refrigeration and that its being kept or stored under refrigeration.
Ambger glass and tin lids. That is the only way to be sure that your probiotic hasnt been killed off by light or moisture. Plastic bottle and lids to not block light or moisture.
3) Powders and Capsules. Only buy probiotics in those two forms. the pressure that is used to make a probiotic tablet actually kills the probiotic and you end us with a fraction of the probiotic that you are paying for
4) Labeling. Make sure your probiotic lists the full name of the bacteria (Ex: Lactobacillus acidophilus NAS) and individual CFU (colonyFormingUnits) of each strain. There are hundreds of strains for each bacteria and only a few are any good. the good ones are expensive. When ever you see "L. casei" used. It is used because it is the cheapest and doesnt have any more effect than mothers milk. Its very weak. But manufactures use because its cheap and the customer doesnt know any better.
5) Chemical stabilisers and fillers. Stay away from probiotics that contain FOS, Inulin and chicory root. These ingredients while they can serve as a food source for good bacteria. They also serve as a food source for pathogenic bacteria and you do not want to feed the bad bacteria so that it can grow.
Where to look or good honest probiotics? Wholefoods, Vitamin shoppe and most small health food stores. When look at all of the different probiotics on refrigerated shelf. Just go down my list and youll find one or two companies that meet all of the criteria.
sounds good rob. thanks for the info. i have to wonder though as many others are too i'm sure, now what kind of difference are we talking? If you maintain the diet you have will it increase the effectiveness of nutrients taken in by 1%? 25%? 500%? I would be mainly focusing on protein intake here
Last edited by peatr99; 11-20-2009 at 10:29 PM.
I'm also hoping some other knowledgeable members will step in to corroborate what you're saying.
I have a friend that takes the cheapo, plastic bottle, on the shelf next to the multi vitamin, wallyworld brand. I shall show him this thread, and look into some for me too.
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what is it in pigs tallrob? I trust pig research since they are usually considered the most similar human analoge
Just because probiotics works well for livestock doesn't mean it will work for humans. Livestock are ruminents, basically a completely different digestive system that relies on bacteria way more heavily than our own bodies. I'm not sold on probiotics, at least not until someone shows me human research
A much more dangerous situation we should be concerned with is if this continuous use of sub theraputic levels have created antibiotic resistant super bacteria in livestock. It would essentially be the same thing as the mrsa situation in hospitals, except within livestock.
Last edited by Cmanuel; 11-22-2009 at 12:04 AM.
how do they managed to survive past the stomach and its enzymes?
400(335) Bench Press
600(520x3 2xBW) Dead Lift
500(495x1) ATG Squat
365 Front Squat
consistency and intensity.
here are a few papers for the doubting Thomases
Last edited by TallRob; 11-22-2009 at 08:42 AM.
some bacteria have a hardened shell that can hold up to acid.
I happen to think that the older you get the more important it is to use probiotics. Not only because of the immune boosting properties but because of the greater feed efficiencies that it gives you. As you get on in years you lose surface area in the intestines do to scaring. Mainly because of desease and infections to the luminal surface of the intestines over the decades. So, having more benificial bacteria per square inch of working intestine is crucial in keeping up your weight and nutritional uptake.
Last edited by TallRob; 11-22-2009 at 10:30 AM.
Cattle have a completely different stomach than humans. There are 4 separate compartments. Some of these compartments have special micro organisms that allow cattle to digest cellulose and produce their own protein. Humans cannot digest cellulose and must rely on food sources of protein. There are more differences but these are the big ones. Pretty different digestive systems if you ask me, and its clear that bacteria in cattle play a more important role in their digestive system vs humans. I'm not doubting that probiotics have well established benefits for cattle, all I'm saying is that you can't use that as an argument for potential benefits in humans. That's comparing apples to oranges.
Thanks for posting some research articles. Ill check them out when I get a chance.
Sigh,,,,,,,Lol, I used to work for Con Agra sticking tubes into portals in theabomasum of ccattle. Plantarum and Orzoi ( partial names) Those two bacteria when planted in people they will be able to increase digestibility of cellulose by 18%. Yes, there are obvious structural difference. But when you get to the bacterial nutrient -tissue interface of the intestine the same rules apply to all mammals. This is basic structure function stuff here. I take it you didnt read ANY of those papers I listed links for. Since you wanted to see HUMAN research. I guess you can lead a horse to water. But you cant make a power lifter read.
Last edited by TallRob; 11-22-2009 at 04:53 PM.
Thanks for elaborating. I agree there are very similar processes going on at the tissue interface. I apologize for not reading the articles you've posted, I'm using my cell phone and couldn't access them. I don't have internet access at my home but will access the articles tomorrow at work. Thanks.
I seem to get less sick when I take probiotics. I think they are a great product. One of the many things I do for my general health.
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