There has been a bunch or discussion lately about using basic barbell movements as core training and this article addresses that topic.
(Super special thanks to Coach Rip, should he ever come by, for letting us use his stuff here!)
Article here: http://startingstrength.com/articles...y_rippetoe.pdf
His board can be found here : http://startingstrength.com/resources/forum/index.php
Thoughts? Cents to add?
Last edited by ZenMonkey; 12-03-2009 at 07:04 PM.
6' 1.... 211lbs.
Bench: 275lbs x 1
Deadlift: 385lbs x 1
Squat: ??? (not enough)
Goal by the end of May 2010... Weigh 225lbs.
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off topic i suppose but what are rippetoes creds? advanced degrees? specialized certs?
the grass could be greener, and itll always be greener on the other side, but you just never know....this could be the one
Rippetoe actually gave up his NSCA/CSCS credential a year or so ago. Disagreements.
It is a good article, though.
Last edited by Auburn; 12-03-2009 at 08:56 PM.
Bit of a tough read (I swear I have some type of attention span problem lol) but interesting all the same.
I'm not overly technical at all, but I look at real life examples...
The majority of people at my gym who focus on squatting, deadlifting and pressing and have both good form anbd strength with these exercises have impressive physiques - big, strong and athletic looking. Just how I want to be.
The majority of people at my gym who focus on cardio, machines and core exercises look skinny and weak and I doubt anyone would ever be able to tell they workout out.. That's gotta suck.
I know I would rather be the former.
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Very good, I too hate hearing about core stability stuff from weak little personal trainers.
You could not squat big or really even bench big with-out a strong core.
Squat briefs only 625 @ 210
Bench geared 525 @ 210
Deadlift geared 650 @ 220
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I will admit, I used to do planks, leg raises, situps etc all the time. When I used to be a competitive USS swimmer our coach had us doing them all the time. I had strong abs but was not very stable or balanced until I began squatting.
I love doing weighted situps though. I got to 110lb DB for 2x20 but never saw much benefit besides being sore.
Anyone else do any direct core work that they think provided them some benefit?
Last edited by ZenMonkey; 12-04-2009 at 01:09 PM.
I have found core training to be very helpful to me in achieving my goals of getting strong(er).
He isn't against specifically training the torso, as he's said in his books and posts. He's talking about that silly Bosu ball crap or crunches for 150 reps.
Regarding the mobility drills: there is a difference between getting ready for a sports activity or something like sprinting than there is getting ready to squat. Once injuries accumulate, the warm-up has to adapt. But, light squatting is fine to mobilize most people to squat.
Last edited by Auburn; 12-04-2009 at 04:04 PM.
I think that Mobility work - hip and ankle mobility being the foremost on my list, is extremely important.
Hell, the Diesel crew just released an AWESOME youtube video featuring this very aspect and Mike Robertson, Eric Cressey and Eric Troy have been harping this for a long long time: http://asp.elitefts.com/qa/training-...id=109884&tid=
If I have to choose between trusting the combination of Mike Robertson, Eric Cressey (who has written a book dedicated to the positive and negative aspects of unstable surface training), Eric Troy and the Diesel Crew versus Mark Rippetoe, it's a no brainer who I'd stick to. Plus, my personal experience shows me that Mark Rippetoe isn't right about mobility work being a minor issue in this field of strength training.