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The Five Biggest Contradictions in Fitness

It’s no secret that when people contradict themselves, it has the effect of making the flaws in their actions or statements seem glaringly obvious. But what about when WE ourselves get caught contradicting ourselves by someone else?

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    To curl or not to curl...

    Why do you do curls? Should they be included?

    Reason to include them:
    I know that new lifters are going to throw them into their routines no matter what anybody says. I try to include them in routines in such a way that is not going to derail the whole routine. Something like a couple of sets of barbell curls will keep most new lifters happy and they will be less likely to switch routines for the latest blitz-and-bomb bicep program.

    Also, I think curls are a very functional lift...really, I do

    Reason to not include them:

    When recovery is at a premium, I think pull-ups and rows give you more bang for the buck. If you are one of those guys that does not recover well from too much stimulus, then adding little isolation exercises can derail your efforts.

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    I threw them in because it helped my arms stay balanced for benching. My triceps are redonk so I could push a lot of weight when I started but I had problems controlling it on the way down and my biceps spasmed the whole time. Then I kept them in bc my arms kept getting bigger. Whether it was from DLs or rows more than curls, probably, but I didn't want to change something that was working.


    Though I have to say now that I do dips and pullups and rows in place of curls lol I would say they are not necessary and I wouldn't put them back in my routine. I avoided pullups for a long time though bc I'm 270ish lbs but I decided they're too good not to do even if I can only do 3 at a time after I deadlift.
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    reasons to include them
    - for me, my left bicep is much bigger than my left and that even makes a difference during rows, so i do Alt DB Curls once a week to try to even them out
    - if your biceps don't respond as well to chins and rows
    - ego (for some people)
    - people want to have big biceps-- when you flex your arms, everyone looks at your biceps


    reasons to not include them
    - i feel like a loser working biceps
    - in the big picture, it's nothing important
    - already hit bi's hard doing other exercises
    - bi's make up 30% of the arm, and focusing more on tri's will help your arms more than focusing more on bi's.
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    Big arms look good but as Stuart McRobert says: "The easiest route to big arms isn't a straight line to the curl bar." The problem is that biceps command an inordinate amount of attention in both lifters and the general populace.

    I'm one of those guys that doesn't respond to volume and isolation so I don't do them. I haven't done a curl for years. Maybe once I've progressed a bit further I'll throw them in but right now I just don't give a ****.

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    Why not do them? There is nothing wrong with specific arm work. No need for a lot of volume, but one should definitely train their biceps just as they should train all of their larger muscles.


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    ^^ I don't know if that was addressed at me or not but I do chins in place of curls. Which is a similar movement and I think what Off Road was getting at.

    Another potential reason for doing curls is that some people just like doing them and find them a fun exercise. I think sometimes weight-lifting can get a bit prescriptive, do this, don't do that... but if you're doing everything right then there's no reason not to fit in the exercises you like.

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    Quote Originally Posted by drummer View Post
    ^^ I don't know if that was addressed at me or not but I do chins in place of curls. Which is a similar movement and I think what Off Road was getting at.

    Another potential reason for doing curls is that some people just like doing them and find them a fun exercise. I think sometimes weight-lifting can get a bit prescriptive, do this, don't do that... but if you're doing everything right then there's no reason not to fit in the exercises you like.
    If you want the best arms possible and the most strength possible in any type of a pull (chin, row etc.), then train your biceps. That would be my nutshell version.


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    Quote Originally Posted by chris mason View Post
    If you want the best arms possible and the most strength possible in any type of a pull (chin, row etc.), then train your biceps. That would be my nutshell version.
    People seem to forget this. However, it is true that to build an overall stronger body, it is better to focus on compound movements, in which case rows and pullups would be the best work for biceps.
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    You should always focus on building the largest muscles of the body, but you should not forget things like biceps and triceps. For most (if not all) compound lifts the arms are most certainly a limiting factor.


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    Related story...
    I can see what Chris is talking about. I've found [in the past] that my chin-ups have increased by focussing on rows and curls and not even doing a single chin-up.
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    I'm with Chris on this. I'm not a big believer in arm work, but don't totally neglect them. I'll toss in a couple bicep and triceps exercises.
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    I just love curls i like the way it feels when i do them i like the way I look when I do them i like the way my arms look for a few minutes after I do them . That and I work at home so rows and curls is all I do for arms. Until I bet a chin up bar . Being as lazy as i am it may be awhile before I get around to it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Geraldw View Post
    I just love curls i like the way it feels when i do them i like the way I look when I do them i like the way my arms look for a few minutes after I do them . That and I work at home so rows and curls is all I do for arms. Until I bet a chin up bar . Being as lazy as i am it may be awhile before I get around to it
    No tricep exercises? (Dips, Skulls, etc.) The Tri's make up more of the arm than the Bi's so maybe you need to change it up.
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    Curls as a "functional exercise", bent arms and strongman training.

    Maybe Tom can chip in here but I've wondered what the official line on biceps work is for strongman training. I've wanted to start a thread on this for a while.

    The arms, and especially the biceps are crucial for picking up awkward objects and carrying them. With deadlifts you only ever lift with straight arms, but in real life you usually have to stretch your arms around the object, hitch it up or carry with bent arms. When I was working as a removals/manual labour guy over the summer this was constantly apparent with every desk I carried! I think my arm strength remained OK while everything else plummeted.

    I've heard some strongman competitors do no bicep work in the gym because they don't want to risk bicep tear, and others do lots of bicep work because they also don't want a bicep tear... Thoughts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by drummer View Post
    Curls as a "functional exercise", bent arms and strongman training.

    Maybe Tom can chip in here but I've wondered what the official line on biceps work is for strongman training. I've wanted to start a thread on this for a while.

    The arms, and especially the biceps are crucial for picking up awkward objects and carrying them. With deadlifts you only ever lift with straight arms, but in real life you usually have to stretch your arms around the object, hitch it up or carry with bent arms. When I was working as a removals/manual labour guy over the summer this was constantly apparent with every desk I carried! I think my arm strength remained OK while everything else plummeted.

    I've heard some strongman competitors do no bicep work in the gym because they don't want to risk bicep tear, and others do lots of bicep work because they also don't want a bicep tear... Thoughts.
    Strongman trainees have the logs they press which require a curling motion to rack them at the shoulders. That is just one biceps exercise they perform.


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    Quote Originally Posted by drummer View Post
    Curls as a "functional exercise", bent arms and strongman training.
    I know a strongman competitor on another forum who does log curls.

    Reason to include them:
    -Chicks dig BIG ceps.
    -elbow health
    -biceps are used as stabilizing muscles when Benching.
    -Chicks dig BIG ceps.

    Reasons to not include them:
    -It's to easy to let momentum do the work for me.
    -I suck at them
    -Chin-ups give you more bang for your buck (they hit the back as as well).

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    I guess this is a sort of relevant question. How do you guys feel about Hammer Curls? Doing curls with a supinated (regular / underhanded) grip makes my wrists hurt a lot, so I elect not to do them. I get that the HC grip isn't in as great an angle for recruiting the biceps, but at the same time one can generally do more weight that way. Does that balance it out?

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    I do curls palms down once or twice a week to hit my forearms

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    I haven't done hardly any curls lately, but I do a decent amount of chin and pull ups and various rows, lately I have noticed biceps giving me problems during bench, might be my form or it might be my biceps just aren't getting hit hard enough. I will probably throw in a set of curls once a week for a while just to see if that makes my pain go away.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SEOINAGE View Post
    I haven't done hardly any curls lately, but I do a decent amount of chin and pull ups and various rows, lately I have noticed biceps giving me problems during bench, might be my form or it might be my biceps just aren't getting hit hard enough. I will probably throw in a set of curls once a week for a while just to see if that makes my pain go away.


    I don't understand how biceps are giving you problems when you bench.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Songsangnim View Post
    I don't understand how biceps are giving you problems when you bench.
    I don't understand it either.

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    BT (Ben Tatar, in an interview with Ed Coan) : YOU DON'T TRAIN MUSCLES LIKE BICEPS?

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    I do some kind of curls (3x8-12) on both my DE and ME bench days. I do it because Westside does it, overall balance shape and in hopes to prevent a bicep tear when doing heavy deads.

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    Curls have their place just as any exercise but it all depends on the individuals goal, how long they have been training, what they have been doing. Obviously for strength athletes the curl is used more as an accessory movement, but it definitley is needed for bodybuilders. I've done programs that have an Arm day as well as programs where I do 2 bicep exercises twice per week.

    One problem that exists with bodybuilders who want bigger biceps, or any muscle for that matter, is they tend to either do more exercises or try to lift heavier weights, this can make things worse. If we train a muscle and now make it part of a "movement chain" then it must adapt to the strength demands of the whole movement. A chain is as strong as its weakest link. If you make a weaker body-part part of a more fully functioning movement chain, it'll be forced to adapt. And it'll respond with more efficient fiber recruitment and force production over time when called upon for isolation work.

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    I do a ****load ov arms... enough to actually hinder my weightlifting (racking cleans mainly). But i'm still pushing my bench, and strong biceps make for a more controlled bench. The stronger my arms are, the easier it is to lower, pause and control the bench. In fact, recently i've changed my bench set-up slightly to use a bit less lat and a bit more arm, and it feels so much stronger than before.

    Besides, if you want to be just strong... like everyday strong and useful, then you need strong biceps. Bench has got to be one ov the most useless exercises for functional strength, aside from the general level ov upper body power it gives. We all just love to do it. Curls far more accurately replicate things we actually do in our daily lives.

    I train as much arms as my crowded and stressed split (read: my recovery) will allow. As long as i'm still training bench regularly i'll crank out the arms.

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