quick post. ordered the shirt, asked rudy two thousand questions before ordering,he was very helpful, i got a 2ply shirt, three ply sleeves, 3 inch scoop. at first shirt looks similar to a rage,i thought what is the big deal? i tried the shirt. NOTHING like rage!! works great, crazy carryover at the top and through the whole lift. weights move quick off the chest. first time using the shirt, got it to touch a 1 board., shirt broke in quick. works great and tied my pr off the one board, but it was way easier and could have done even more. two thumbs up!