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    dumbells build a bigger chest barbells build a bigger ego.

    Not to be taken literally I know a lot of people here train seriously with barbells including myself. So what I'm trying to say is that dumbbells are superior for chest mass.

    I know its all very individual but what does everyone think about that? I don't have enough experience working with dumbells over barbells so I can't really make a call on this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThomasG View Post
    what I'm trying to say is that dumbbells are superior for chest mass.

    I don't have enough experience working with dumbells over barbells so I can't really make a call on this.
    So what made you decide Dumbbells are superior for mass?

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    really don't know if dumbell are better for mass than barbells, but dumbells i think are better for range of motion,better stretches,contrating the muscle better,uses stablizer muscle more effectly., work around injurys better. this just my take.
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    What happens when you can lift more than 240 lbs? (my gym's db's go up to 120)
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    If you bb bench 240lbs it doesn t mean you can db bench 240.If you can db bench your 120 strict for a set of 10 add another set until you can get 3 sets of 10 reps.Once you can get that switch over and try to do it on incline with db.This will take some time to accomplish.Once you can db flat & incline those 120's for reps and sets and need heavier db's it s time to find a new gym or try to get your gym to get heavier ones.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JJ33 View Post
    If you bb bench 240lbs it doesn t mean you can db bench 240.If you can db bench your 120 strict for a set of 10 add another set until you can get 3 sets of 10 reps.Once you can get that switch over and try to do it on incline with db.This will take some time to accomplish.Once you can db flat & incline those 120's for reps and sets and need heavier db's it s time to find a new gym or try to get your gym to get heavier ones.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DMedley View Post
    So what made you decide Dumbbells are superior for mass?
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    How can you make these claims when you say you don't know enough to make the claim?
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    Quote Originally Posted by David Trantham View Post
    really don't know if dumbell are better for mass than barbells, but dumbells i think are better for range of motion,better stretches,contrating the muscle better,uses stablizer muscle more effectly., work around injurys better. this just my take.
    based on your description, wouldn't that make dumbbells superior to barbells in terms of hypertrophy? The more efficiently you can work the muscle, the more you're working towards hypertrophy.

    Through personal experience, I have found that dumbbells make me grow more than barbells. When the 120s weren't enough for my 3 sets of 10, I started doing unilateral training with one side contracted (ie, pressing both dumbbells up to full contraction, then only pressing with one arm).. Try doing these alternating for a difference too. When the 120s weren't enough for me, I brought in plate loaded oly dumbbells to load to my specification.

    I'm not dogging barbells at all, I love flat barbell and incline barbell. I also attribute some growth to incline barbell, as the stretch on the pectorals is amazing. I've also found that db flyes, both incline and flat, are good for growth.
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    Dumbbells do provide a superior range of motion and the instability of a fixed bar forcing a higher level of adapation.

    However this is a double edged sword... Getting a pair of 120+lbs dumbbells to your chest can be pretty damn daunting and riskier. Plus, it is harder to load a dumbbell in micro-increments.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raleighwood View Post
    However this is a double edged sword... Getting a pair of 120+lbs dumbbells to your chest can be pretty damn daunting and riskier. Plus, it is harder to load a dumbbell in micro-increments.
    Nobody's saying jump to a dumbbell 1RM, I think that is silly.

    Hypertrophy is specific to a higher rep range, time under tension.. if you can't do 90s for 15, I wouldn't suggest jumping to 120s.. you have to be smart with your increases..

    I agree, however, that you can't load a dumbbell in micro-incremements, unless you have micro-plates.

    Then again, I rearely add 2.5s on the barbell, so a 5lb increase per hand would be normal for me.
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    I agree with both of these posts, and have always preferred training with dumbbells for flat bench press.

    Quote Originally Posted by David Trantham View Post
    really don't know if dumbell are better for mass than barbells, but dumbells i think are better for range of motion,better stretches,contrating the muscle better,uses stablizer muscle more effectly., work around injurys better. this just my take.
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    based on your description, wouldn't that make dumbbells superior to barbells in terms of hypertrophy? The more efficiently you can work the muscle, the more you're working towards hypertrophy.

    Through personal experience, I have found that dumbbells make me grow more than barbells. When the 120s weren't enough for my 3 sets of 10, I started doing unilateral training with one side contracted (ie, pressing both dumbbells up to full contraction, then only pressing with one arm).. Try doing these alternating for a difference too. When the 120s weren't enough for me, I brought in plate loaded oly dumbbells to load to my specification.

    I'm not dogging barbells at all, I love flat barbell and incline barbell. I also attribute some growth to incline barbell, as the stretch on the pectorals is amazing. I've also found that db flyes, both incline and flat, are good for growth.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tnathletics2b View Post
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    Thanks for responding Dave, Jsully, and Tom. I was hoping some guys with BBing experience would chime in.
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    Absoultely Dumbbells are better for hypertrophy than barbells. You get a better range of motion and can move dumbbells in the correct plane to stimulate more muscle and target train the chest more efficiently. Always press the DB up, together and slightly back to stimulate the most fibers.

    With barbells there are limits and if someone has longer or shorter arms will effect how much stimulation the chest actually recieves.

    Regardless if you use barbells or DBs if you goal is to build chest size you should always put your feet up on the bench for flat presses to create joint stress transefer. This places most of the tension on the upper torso and doesn't allow you to drive thru your legs like you do in powerlifting.

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    Regardless if you use barbells or DBs if you goal is to build chest size you should always put your feet up on the bench for flat presses to create joint stress transefer. This places most of the tension on the upper torso and doesn't allow you to drive thru your legs like you do in powerlifting.
    This is something interesting that i've never heard before.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dgro View Post
    This is something interesting that i've never heard before.
    I agee, I've never heard of this before. I've started implementing more hypertrophy training in my routine, I may have to try this out for my accessory exercises.. Thanks for the info
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    Quote Originally Posted by Acress View Post

    Regardless if you use barbells or DBs if you goal is to build chest size you should always put your feet up on the bench for flat presses to create joint stress transefer. This places most of the tension on the upper torso and doesn't allow you to drive thru your legs like you do in powerlifting.
    Just make sure you can handle the weight if you do this. This creates balance issues in alot of people and could cause serious injury if you don't know your limits.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KoSh View Post
    Just make sure you can handle the weight if you do this. This creates balance issues in alot of people and could cause serious injury if you don't know your limits.
    Remember I'm talking about target training not max lifts so that shouldn't be an issue.

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    no need to bring db's together at the top. just push straight up as if they were a bar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Acress View Post
    Remember I'm talking about target training not max lifts so that shouldn't be an issue.
    You'd be surprised, Acress. I've seen people do some strange things.

    And people new to lifting may not quite understand that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KoSh View Post
    And people new to lifting may not quite understand that.
    I think we cater to new lifters pretty well enough here. I think we lack in advice for the more experienced lifter. I've been training for nearly 7 years and learned something new today.

    I certainly wouldn't ask him to refrain from his advice because new lifters might not understand this concept. There has to be some kind of responsibility on the lifter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JSully View Post
    I think we cater to new lifters pretty well enough here. I think we lack in advice for the more experienced lifter. I've been training for nearly 7 years and learned something new today.

    I certainly wouldn't ask him to refrain from his advice because new lifters might not understand this concept. There has to be some kind of responsibility on the lifter.
    I don't think I did ask for anyone to refrain from his advice. I think I stated that any lifter doing this needed to use caution.

    I'm not crapping on the idea, guys. It seems valid and I may even try it. Better safe than sorry.
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    Quote Originally Posted by the one View Post
    no need to bring db's together at the top. just push straight up as if they were a bar
    If you want to stimulate the pectoral muscle correctly you always bring the DBs together at the top. That is a very important part of the lift. Understanding the planes and ranges of motion a muscle works in is key to full development.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Acress View Post
    If you want to stimulate the pectoral muscle correctly you always bring the DBs together at the top. That is a very important part of the lift. Understanding the planes and ranges of motion a muscle works in is key to full development.
    I recently started using cable flys because there is constant tension even when your hands are together "at the very top" for those reasons you mentioned. DB flys just didnt really cut it for me.
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    I like dumbbell bench more than barbells. I know soreness doesn't mean you're progressing but it at least means that you worked that particular sore muscle. And with barbell bench, I never feel sore in chest, only with the dumbbell version.
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