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    Quote Originally Posted by Mad Max View Post
    I also wanted to add that District 9 is a better movie. More original, better characterisation and more intense and suspensful action sequences.

    Thinking back on Avatar I'm beginning to realise it was more flawed than I first noticed. One thing that annoyed me was how derivative it all was, I don't think there was a single fresh cinematic concept in the film (unlike District 9 or The Matrix for example). Even the flora and fauna of Pandora were derivative: three legged horses and dogs, pterodactyls, plants and trees, it was basically Earth with a slightly different evolutionary chain.

    I also don't understand why the humans were computer generated, resulting in a loss of the subtleties of their facial expression, much of the acting was already wooden enough.

    In spite of these things it was still pretty good, perhaps 3.5/5.

    James Cameron's earlier efforts are far superior. Terminator 1 and 2, Aliens, The Abyss, all better films than Avatar.

    There's a sequence in The Abyss where Ed Harris desperately performs CPR on his dying wife. It's one of James Cameron's finest moments, and probably has more emotion, more tension and more potency than the entirity of Avatar.
    The Matrix is not original, see: Ghost in the Shell.

    The humans were not computer generated.
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    I just saw it tonight and I think it was amazing!!

    Fantastic graphics and I don't know why everyone says the storyline sucked, I thought it was just fine. Overall, best movie I have seen in a long time!
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    Just saw this last night, It was a fantastic movie, exceeded my expectations. I also thought the storyline was great, and the CGI was the best i've seen.

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    I would give Avatar a 5/5 and extra star * for the movie... Its just an awsome movie..

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    I thought it was nothing more then Dances with wolves with the indians replaced with big blue people. Overall I thought it was pretty but boring and not original at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Majestic View Post
    False.
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    Determining the final cost of this film is a trick in itself. Wildly different reports have been published, ranging from $230 million (The New Yorker) to nearly $500 million (The New York Times). Avatarís official budget lies somewhere in between, probably closest to the figure the Los Angeles Timesís John Horn and Claudia Eller cited earlier this monthó$280 million for the production, plus marketing costs.
    In the case of Avatar, Fox shared the production costs with investor groups Dune Capital Management and Ingenious Film Partners to hedge the risk. The filmmakers also took advantage of a tax credit in New Zealand, where they shot the live-action footage that comprises about a third of the film. That shaved off a cool $30 million. Fox is bearing the cost of the marketing budget, which will tally up to about $150 million by the time the last blue alien flickers off the screen.
    And as I've heard from several sources James Cameron also pitched in a little bit of his own.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TremL96 View Post
    http://www.vanityfair.com/online/osc...ally-cost.html





    And as I've heard from several sources James Cameron also pitched in a little bit of his own.
    Remember when Jurassic Park came out and its budget was like $75 million and everyone just about had a heart attack?
    Granted that was 15+ years ago, but it's still crazy to think how much money goes into movie production these days.
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    Well Avatar has already broken the $1Billion mark in sales

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    Saw it this weekend, thought the Avatar girl was hot???

    Now waiting for avatar porn? LOL just kidding, my wife hit me hard at the movie cuz when they were getting all lovie dovie, I said "the cartoons are gonna do it" and lots of people heard me...sorry but I was wondering where the sexual organs were. I mean you saw where the horsed breathed from right?

    all in all great movie and kept me intertained the whole time, that is hard for a movie cuz i am all over the place usually!

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    Quote Originally Posted by cirino83 View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cirino83 View Post
    It was about 10 degrees and blizzarding (is that a word?) when I walked out of Avatar. I ran up and touched a tree branch to see if it would glow and nothing happened. It's a good thing I don't have my CCW permit, or I probably would've blown my brains out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mad Max View Post
    One thing that annoyed me was how derivative it all was, I don't think there was a single fresh cinematic concept in the film (unlike District 9 or The Matrix for example). Even the flora and fauna of Pandora were derivative: three legged horses and dogs, pterodactyls, plants and trees, it was basically Earth with a slightly different evolutionary chain.
    Uhhhh, yeah wasn't that kind of the point? Sure it's an alien planet, but you don't get the typical alien imagery. Instead much of Pandora resembles Earth, the plants and animals just happened to evolve differently.

    Wtf do you want, the landscape to look like the moon?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Invain View Post
    Uhhhh, yeah wasn't that kind of the point? Sure it's an alien planet, but you don't get the typical alien imagery. Instead much of Pandora resembles Earth, the plants and animals just happened to evolve differently.

    Wtf do you want, the landscape to look like the moon?
    Well, for a film that's supposed to be so ground breaking I would have expected a bit more imagination, yes. No doubt the technical mastery and attention to detail was there, but otherwise practically everything had been seen or done before. Like I say it was a good popcorn flick, but as a fan of the genre I found it to be light weight science fiction.

    Plus for an overall other worldly, immersive experience, countless video games have done a better job in recent years. Apples and oranges you may say, but the level of artistic freedom allowed in the video gaming industry far surpases that of the film industry at the moment. If the film industry wants to cath up with it's action sci fi, it's gonna have to allow more creative freedom amongst film makers, and take a few chances. Comercially, the point with Pandora being so terrestrial looking, was to not alienate (no pun intended) audiences who might normally be put off by the notion of a plot revolving around an alien species. Which is why some people describe Avatar as 'Dances with Wolves' with a different colour scheme.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mad Max View Post
    Plus for an overall other worldly, immersive experience, countless video games have done a better job in recent years.
    Examples?

    In my opinion:

    Mass Effect: The Citadel was absolutely incredible.
    Dragon Age Origins: The entire world is so cohesive and genuine feeling. Also, putting the elves as an underclass was an interesting and original choice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mercuryblade View Post
    Examples?

    In my opinion:

    Mass Effect: The Citadel was absolutely incredible.
    Dragon Age Origins: The entire world is so cohesive and genuine feeling. Also, putting the elves as an underclass was an interesting and original choice.
    Actually I was being slightly dishonest in that statement since I stopped hardcore gaming a few years once I decided to focus on med school. But I do still keep somehwat abreast of what's going on. Dragon Age looks incredible I must say.
    Anyway, a few examples:

    Half Life (1 and 2): Obvious choice I know. But it's an example of a less than original plot made incredible by innovative enemy design (the blast pit tentacle creature blew my mind when I first saw it), great pacing and level design, and an overall charm that's lacking in mainstream hollywood ventures (apples and oranges I know).

    Shadow of the Colossus:Fiddly controls, outdated graphics and somewhat limited gameplay didn't detract from the sheer spectacle of the colossi. Having played this game very recently, I'm not being polemical or pretentious when I say it was more visually spectacular and engaging an experience than Avatar.

    Dead Space, Resident Evil 4, F.E.A.R, Bioshock, Supreme Commander, heck even WOW, to name a few.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mad Max View Post
    Actually I was being slightly dishonest in that statement since I stopped hardcore gaming a few years once I decided to focus on med school. But I do still keep somehwat abreast of what's going on. Dragon Age looks incredible I must say.
    Anyway, a few examples:

    Half Life (1 and 2): Obvious choice I know. But it's an example of a less than original plot made incredible by innovative enemy design (the blast pit tentacle creature blew my mind when I first saw it), great pacing and level design, and an overall charm that's lacking in mainstream hollywood ventures (apples and oranges I know).

    Shadow of the Colossus:Fiddly controls, outdated graphics and somewhat limited gameplay didn't detract from the sheer spectacle of the colossi. Having played this game very recently, I'm not being polemical or pretentious when I say it was more visually spectacular and engaging an experience than Avatar.

    Dead Space, Resident Evil 4, F.E.A.R, Bioshock, Supreme Commander, heck even WOW, to name a few.
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    I started last september. Was addicted to Warcraft 3-DOTA (know what that is?) in, what I think you call in the states, my pre-med years. Had I made the jump to next gen gaming and upgraded my computer or bought a console, I doubt whether I would have got in, but who knows.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mad Max View Post
    I started last september. Was addicted to Warcraft 3-DOTA (know what that is?) in, what I think you call in the states, my pre-med years. Had I made the jump to next gen gaming and upgraded my computer or bought a console, I doubt whether I would have got in, but who knows.
    Yeah I know what DOTA is.
    Video games are actually the reason I'm in medical school, they keep me sane, and I can hold off playing them when I have other work to get done.
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