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The Five Biggest Contradictions in Fitness

Itís no secret that when people contradict themselves, it has the effect of making the flaws in their actions or statements seem glaringly obvious. But what about when WE ourselves get caught contradicting ourselves by someone else?

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    Quote Originally Posted by StLRPh View Post
    Very. I'm one the guys that gets a lot out of tight supportive gear:

    My Inzer XT elbow sleeves probably give me 10 to 15lb if I crank them really tight.
    My Inzer XT knee sleeves probably give me 15lb+ (depending on how tight they are).
    Belt is about the same as the sleeves probably more.
    Not sure on the Powerpants. I don't even feel them until I go down pretty deep or have a really wide stance.

    For the sake of simplicity I'm ditching everything for as long as I can. The first (and maybe only thing) to add back will be the belt.
    You sure its not mostly mental?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mchicia1 View Post
    You sure its not mostly mental?
    first you lose all credibility by starting your anti-squat thread and then you bring up a very good point. Damn you!!!

    I have no idea and didn't even think of that until you said it....I know a lot of my issues with the deadlift were mental.

    I'm doing linear progression for a while and that should make the weight increases easier from that stand point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by StLRPh View Post
    first you lose all credibility by starting your anti-squat thread and then you bring up a very good point. Damn you!!!

    I have no idea and didn't even think of that until you said it....I know a lot of my issues with the deadlift were mental.

    I'm doing linear progression for a while and that should make the weight increases easier from that stand point.
    Hahaha...thats funny.

    I bet you make fast increases. Probably just gotta get over the mental hump.

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    Interested to see how you go without the gear! IV never used any an only just got a belt both testing new water a!
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    Quote Originally Posted by mchicia1 View Post
    You sure its not mostly mental?
    Good point. Going without them and using linear progression will be great for your mental state and your numbers.

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    thanks for the support guys!
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    I'm sure the belt, and sleeves, and breifs add a little, especially when used all together. But I'm sure that a lot of it is mental too. You will have to overcome that mental side of it going forward without the gear, especially the fear of injury. Don't be afraid to throw it back on if you feel signs of injury coming on again. Don't need to be side-lined when you are doing so good.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Off Road View Post
    I'm sure the belt, and sleeves, and breifs add a little, especially when used all together. But I'm sure that a lot of it is mental too. You will have to overcome that mental side of it going forward without the gear, especially the fear of injury. Don't be afraid to throw it back on if you feel signs of injury coming on again. Don't need to be side-lined when you are doing so good.
    Thanks for the support OR. The belt will probably go on pretty quickly but the other stuff we'll see.
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    Hey Matt, I'm all for minimal gear if you're not training for a geared PL meet, but you may not want to ditch some sort of knee support given your train in a cold garage currently. Are your knee sleeves just neoprene slip-on types? If not, you may want to grab a cheap pair from Sports Authority or somewhere. Neoprene sleeves are great for keeping everything warm, but don't give much carryover. I understand your reasoning for ditching the gear, but I also think some precaution would be good given your medical history and your training environment.

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    I have an old pair of neoprene knee pads from wrestling that cover the area. Even for neoprene they're pretty flimsy. But I put them on about 30 minutes before heading out and they seemed to keep the knees warm. Will probably get something a little better down the road.

    Thanks for the suggestion
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    Raw is the only way to squat (I use knee sleeves in training and wraps when I test) but man it's great. Nice to see you've joined the dark side.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KoSh View Post
    Raw is the only way to squat (I use knee sleeves in training and wraps when I test) but man it's great. Nice to see you've joined the dark side.
    Thanks Kosh

    I thought gear whored out was the Dark Side
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    Quote Originally Posted by StLRPh View Post
    Thanks Kosh

    I thought gear whored out was the Dark Side
    No, no.

    The darkside is doing what most consider dangerous (even though it helps build core muscles). You're not supposed to squat or dead without a belt, remember, you could get hurt!
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    I was kinda forced to start using a belt while squatting. I don't really need my knee sleeves anymore, but when I go heavy on squats I feel it in my lower back....and not in a good way....so unfortunately, I can't go completely raw anymore on the sqiznats!
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    thanks guys, tomorrow more deload!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Yeah!
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    I agree, there is definitely a mental boost from being all wrapped up, but I definitely got 15 pounds out of my Inzer knee wraps back when I used them, I would tighten those velcro straps so tight that it hurt. lol I get more than that from a belt. Power pants though, I think I'm better without them, they throw me out of my groove. I like your idea about training without the belt though, I remember reading Pavel suggesting a nice benefit from that. I usually keep mine somewhat loose until I get up to 75-80%. I like where your training is going lately.

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    I have also heard of people training without a belt until 85-90%+ and having good results with it. Good luck, bud. I will be looking forward to see how you do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Athos View Post
    I agree, there is definitely a mental boost from being all wrapped up, but I definitely got 15 pounds out of my Inzer knee wraps back when I used them, I would tighten those velcro straps so tight that it hurt. lol I get more than that from a belt. Power pants though, I think I'm better without them, they throw me out of my groove. I like your idea about training without the belt though, I remember reading Pavel suggesting a nice benefit from that. I usually keep mine somewhat loose until I get up to 75-80%. I like where your training is going lately.
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    I have also heard of people training without a belt until 85-90%+ and having good results with it. Good luck, bud. I will be looking forward to see how you do.
    Thanks guys, the plan is to go without the belt as long as possible and then at some point add it to my final working set(s).

    I really don't think I'll miss the powerpants much. Now that my stance is so much closer I barely feel them (except of course when they crush my manhood )
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    Deload

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    75 x 5
    75 x 5
    75 x 15 (RPE-7)
    super easy, as it should be

    Conventional Deadlifts (no belt)
    225 x 10 rpe-8
    not too bad, no hip pain at all, did these in jeans and tennis shoes

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    blue band assist x 8 x 2 sets
    harder than I wanted but probably what I should expect

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    2 sets of 15 against the purple band

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    Keep putting in the work no matter how cold it gets, gonna be raising up with it all regardless.

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    Thanks Coke, feeling good and looking forward to this training cycle
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    In an effort to increase the level of Awesome in my workouts, I've ordered a Spud Inc Neck Harness
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    Nice work. Sometimes I tried too hard on deload days...

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    Quote Originally Posted by StLRPh View Post
    Thanks Coke, feeling good and looking forward to this training cycle
    Good that your looking forward to stuff mate, top work.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OLB View Post
    Nice work. Sometimes I tried too hard on deload days...
    Quote Originally Posted by Kiff View Post
    Good that your looking forward to stuff mate, top work.
    Thanks guys, feeling really good right now.

    BTW, another awesome article squatting as told by John Grimek. Keep in mind that Grimek was in his 70's for this story

    http://www.rawpl.com/smf/index.php?board=1.0
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