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The Five Biggest Contradictions in Fitness

It’s no secret that when people contradict themselves, it has the effect of making the flaws in their actions or statements seem glaringly obvious. But what about when WE ourselves get caught contradicting ourselves by someone else?

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    Chaos and Pain

    http://chaosandpain.blogspot.com/200...in-basics.html

    Does anyone train like this or ever tried it??

    Seems like an awesome way to train, I am looking for some opinions on Jamie Lewis himself and his training style. It seems like a fun way to keep things fresh and train extremely hard.

    Jamie is a very knowledgeable guy who understands the body. He has won powerlifting competitions using this unconventional style of training.

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    Seems like it would work. I think I may try and incorporate some of this guys methods with my hockey specific training, may help with explosiveness and over all power. May need to get my cals up on training days tho.
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    Do it for a year and report back your findings honestly.
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    Good luck.
    A child does not learn to squat from the top down. In other words, he does not suddenly make a conscious decision one day to squat. Actually, he is squatting one day and make the conscious decision to stand. Squatting precedes standing in the developmental sequence. This is the way a child's brain learns to use the body as the child develops movement patterns. Therefore, a child is probably crawling, rocks back into a squatting position with the back completely relaxed and the hips completely flexed, and stands when he has enough hip strength. This approach makes a lot of sense and can be applied to relearning the deep squat movement if it is lost. -Gray Cook
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    Yeah, Ill take some his ideas and tone it down a tad, tweak some things here and there to better suit a hockey player. If the heavy weights and skating become too much, ill switch stuff up.
    Last edited by TXslapshot; 01-11-2010 at 12:55 PM.
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    Looks like fun. But it also looks like... Useless.
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    Lots of bravado and such, but I don't know how applicable it is to everyone. My joints would be screwed and I would likely be injured if I tried to train like that. Personally, there are a bunch of other programs I would suggest before this one, but if you want to try it go ahead.

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    Like I said, I'm not using his routine instead I'm taking some of his ideas and trying em out. May work, may not.
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    Just like any program, it will work for some.
    Give chalk a chance.


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    Yeah, I think Ill be able to handle a variation of his program about twice a week, once I begin skating more frequently that may change.
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    This is not a program for a beginner or an early intermediate.
    My 10 week cut results

    "Sweat in training so you don't bleed in battle."

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    Definitely not, so dont go asking that elderly client of your to do 1 rep maxes, 30 times.. haha kidding
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raleighwood View Post
    This is not a program for a beginner or an early intermediate.
    read: Natural lifter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AKMass View Post
    read: Natural lifter.
    I was thinking the same thing. In one of his interviews, he claims to be natural, but I have my doubts.
    My 10 week cut results

    "Sweat in training so you don't bleed in battle."

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    In my personal opinion, if he trains like that week in and week out, theres no way in hell he's natural unless he's a genetic freak of course. Throw his attitude in the mix and it can raise some eyebrows but who knows.
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    No thanks.

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    I read the program, and it is just that. Chaos and Pain.

    Has no order rhyme or reason, and my joint hurt just reading it.

    so ill second HB and say no thanks
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigCorey75 View Post
    I read the program, and it is just that. Chaos and Pain.

    Has no order rhyme or reason, and my joint hurt just reading it.

    so ill second HB and say no thanks
    I was thinking of you reading this. Not because of the reps or methods, but he does break the training day down similar to how you were doing it.

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    As said already above the exercises seem rather jumbled and thrown together but here is some more specific criticism.

    "One can build their capacity for work to whatever level they so desire, provided they're willing to invest enough time and effort."

    This is demonstrably false. Yes you can immensely improve your capacity for work if you go about it the right way...but there is a limit for everyone and for some it's a lot sooner than others.

    "Sets of 10-12 are useless..." Again false. They work and have worked well for many people. Just as higher reps may also work for some and lower reps for others.


    "85% of 1 rep max on everything". He does add a caveat that if you are squatting 3 times a week the middle one should be light, but even with the caveat, this is a good way to injure yourself. It seems like a mixture of Bill Starr, Dogcrapp, Bulgarian powerlifting and some high rep-work thrown in altogether.

    Minimum of five days a week" (for training).

    This is fine if you can handle it, but it needs to be properly designed (for example you shouldn't have four upper body days and one lower body day).

    On the sample program he gave below, shoulders are being worked six days a week, not to mention the rest of upper body.
    One or (at the most two) days of rest. Maybe if you are a highly advanced lifter you can get away with this stuff.
    Six upper body days and only 3 lower body days (I don't count calf raises as a lower body day if they are the only lower body exercise done.)

    Conclusion. It may work for him for now, but that doesn't mean it will work for others. I wouldn't do this nor recommend it.
    Last edited by Songsangnim; 01-12-2010 at 07:37 PM.

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    yeah wtf.... 85% of your 1RM for everything?? i guarantee he is going to kill himself not warming up one day.

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