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The Five Biggest Contradictions in Fitness

Its no secret that when people contradict themselves, it has the effect of making the flaws in their actions or statements seem glaringly obvious. But what about when WE ourselves get caught contradicting ourselves by someone else?

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    Does anyone know what the big 3 world record is?

    y'know, the total of your bench + squat + deadlift. who has the highest and what is it? if not, any educated guesses of what it might be?


    i got curious when i read that Ryan Kennelly only started lifting lower body because his bench had plateaued due to having pathetic-by-comparison legs. since most bench specialists are probably the same way, it makes me wonder if anyone has ever totaled over 3k. sorry if that's a dumb statement, i don't keep up with this sort of thing at all.
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    According to the latest article, its Donnie Thompson with 2,850 pounds.

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    yeah i think big donnie holds it at close to 2900 2850 sounds about right..


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    Quote Originally Posted by BigCorey75 View Post


    I wonder if we will ever see a 3000 total in our lifetime??
    I'm working on it, alright? just be patient.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigCorey75 View Post
    yeah i think big donnie holds it at close to 2900 2850 sounds about right..


    I wonder if we will ever see a 3000 total in our lifetime??
    well, there are 1200lb squatters, 800lb benchers and one 1000lb deadlifter, I would imagine it's just a matter of time for someone to put all three together..
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    I wonder about this too. I don't know how all the power-lifting federations work so I'm never sure what the overall total is. What's Andy Bolton's total? I saw a document somewhere that had all the records from a couple of years ago and I think Bolton was top then, and held the world record for squat and deadlift. But I remember when AtLarge did their article on Donnie Thompson getting the highest total ever. Does that still hold?

    Who is leading the way at the moment?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigCorey75 View Post
    yeah i think big donnie holds it at close to 2900 2850 sounds about right..


    I wonder if we will ever see a 3000 total in our lifetime??
    I guarantee it will happen sooner or later. Especially with advancements in powerlifting gear.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JSully View Post
    well, there are 1200lb squatters, 800lb benchers and one 1000lb deadlifter, I would imagine it's just a matter of time for someone to put all three together..
    Yeah the 1000 pound mark has been crossed in all of the big three lifts, it would be amazing to see someone put it all together.

    I like what guido said, im waiting for the newest gear to come out and see they guys put up the ridiculous totals
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    Personally I think that gear has gone about as far as it's going to be able to go, least for some time. Anything new on the market is just a variation of the stuff that's already out.

    Bolton's best total is 2805

    Thompson is the world record holder at 2,905 but has been struggling with injuries.

    It will happen sooner or later, but I think it'll probably be later as no matter how you slice it, it's still a very very difficult mark to hit


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    Quote Originally Posted by Travis Bell View Post
    Personally I think that gear has gone about as far as it's going to be able to go, least for some time. Anything new on the market is just a variation of the stuff that's already out.

    Bolton's best total is 2805

    Thompson is the world record holder at 2,905 but has been struggling with injuries.

    It will happen sooner or later, but I think it'll probably be later as no matter how you slice it, it's still a very very difficult mark to hit


    Same things were said about the 800 bench pound mark when clark held it for so long, and the 1000 pound squat mark. then it fell and now we have guys benching over 1,000.

    The Deadlift is about the only true lift left that cant be super enhanced by suits and such, i mean hell we had people bench 1000 pounds for around 6 years before someone pulled it off the ground.

    With advances in training, equipment, designer drugs and such along with just larger people I can see the 3000 pound barrier falling within the next 5 years. Might have to take a guy weighing close to or more than 400 pounds but I can feasibly see it falling in less than 5 years

    The true total i think is the most amazing is the 12x bodyweight total. There are only like 30 guys to ever do that, and only two to ever total 13x bodyweight totals, those are the real ridiculous numbers in the grand scheme imo
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    Also I would like to see someone hit the 1000 pound squat, 900 pound deadlift, and 800 pound bench, RAW...

    That would truly be impressive.

    or a 10x bodyweight total done raw
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigCorey75 View Post
    Same things were said about the 800 bench pound mark when clark held it for so long, and the 1000 pound squat mark. then it fell and now we have guys benching over 1,000.

    The Deadlift is about the only true lift left that cant be super enhanced by suits and such, i mean hell we had people bench 1000 pounds for around 6 years before someone pulled it off the ground.

    With advances in training, equipment, designer drugs and such along with just larger people I can see the 3000 pound barrier falling within the next 5 years. Might have to take a guy weighing close to or more than 400 pounds but I can feasibly see it falling in less than 5 years

    The true total i think is the most amazing is the 12x bodyweight total. There are only like 30 guys to ever do that, and only two to ever total 13x bodyweight totals, those are the real ridiculous numbers in the grand scheme imo
    Let me ask you this. Have you ever worn the gear that is out there today? I have. That's how I can say that gear has gone about as far as it's going to go. I didn't say the numbers won't go higher, I said gear is about as advanced as it can get at this time.

    More agressive gear is just too hard on the body.

    Most people who think gear is going to get more aggressive haven't worn the current stuff and know how it feels.

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    Also I would like to see someone hit the 1000 pound squat, 900 pound deadlift, and 800 pound bench, RAW...

    That would truly be impressive.

    or a 10x bodyweight total done raw
    The 1000lb squat will be broken raw, the 900 deadlift has been broken multiple times.

    An 800lb raw bench is just ridiculous. Maybe some day, I guess anything is possible. But statements like this though, saying that an 800 bench would be truly impressive, comes across as a 600lb raw bench is common!

    I have a 540lb raw bench and I've had to bust my tail so freaking hard to get there. Two other guys (vdizenzo and KingKong53) have 600+ raw benches. You can imagine how hard they've had to work to get there.


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    Quote Originally Posted by BigCorey75 View Post
    we had people bench 1000 pounds for around 6 years before someone pulled it off the ground.
    That blows my mind.

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    An 800lb raw bench is just ridiculous. Maybe some day, I guess anything is possible. But statements like this though, saying that an 800 bench would be truly impressive, comes across as a 600lb raw bench is common!

    I have a 540lb raw bench and I've had to bust my tail so freaking hard to get there. Two other guys (vdizenzo and KingKong53) have 600+ raw benches. You can imagine how hard they've had to work to get there.
    I see what you mean. It's a shame when a 600lb bench doesn't register as impressive these days. Even when there are only a handful of current lifters like Vincent and Kong who have done it raw.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigCorey75 View Post


    I wonder if we will ever see a 3000 total in our lifetime??
    For sure 3000 will fall!!

    That is huge but it will be done.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Travis Bell View Post
    Let me ask you this. Have you ever worn the gear that is out there today? I have. That's how I can say that gear has gone about as far as it's going to go. I didn't say the numbers won't go higher, I said gear is about as advanced as it can get at this time.

    More agressive gear is just too hard on the body.

    Most people who think gear is going to get more aggressive haven't worn the current stuff and know how it feels.



    The 1000lb squat will be broken raw, the 900 deadlift has been broken multiple times.

    An 800lb raw bench is just ridiculous. Maybe some day, I guess anything is possible. But statements like this though, saying that an 800 bench would be truly impressive, comes across as a 600lb raw bench is common!

    I have a 540lb raw bench and I've had to bust my tail so freaking hard to get there. Two other guys (vdizenzo and KingKong53) have 600+ raw benches. You can imagine how hard they've had to work to get there.

    Ive never worn any of the triple ply stuff but I have slipped on an old school single ply stuff and it was uncomfortable. Ive spoken with guys who say they have moved heavy weights with the suits and they can actually feel their bones bending, which is downright scary imo.

    I think an 800 pound raw bench is coming. I think all of these numbers will eventually fall at some point in time.

    now i dont the human body will ever post something like a 6000 pound total, i think to do that we would have to evolve into some new species before it is even possible....lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigCorey75 View Post
    Ive never worn any of the triple ply stuff but I have slipped on an old school single ply stuff and it was uncomfortable. Ive spoken with guys who say they have moved heavy weights with the suits and they can actually feel their bones bending, which is downright scary imo.
    LMAO. Bones bending? LMFAO, I can't get over that one. What are these guys lifting and what kind of bones do they have?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris Rodgers View Post
    LMAO. Bones bending? LMFAO, I can't get over that one. What are these guys lifting and what kind of bones do they have?
    Agreed. No idea where that one started.

    Big Corey, if you've never worn gear before, much less the gangster gear that is out there currently, you might want to refrain from making statements that you feel it's going to advance much further than it already has.

    I've worn just about every bench shirt out there and that's why I can say I feel gear has gone about as far as it's going to be able to go for a good while.

    The shirt that Ryan Kennelly wore when he benched 1075lbs in has been around for almost 10 years. It's just people didn't know how to use it.

    The 800lb bench is nowhere near comming, least not in the near future. Nobody has ever even been within 60lbs of it. Getting your raw bench to go up is much much more slow process than getting your shirted bench up. Fighting injuries is very difficult and the bigger your bench gets, the slower the progress.

    I don't think you really are grasping the immensity of what you're saying.

    There have been several guys within 40-50lbs of the 1000lb raw squat

    At least two guys have broken the 900lb DL (highest being almost 950)

    And the biggest raw bench is 715lbs - all of a sudden the raw bench record is going to shoot up 85lbs? Don't think so. 750 would be a much more realistic number that might be hit within the next 10 years. Even then it's a stretch


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    Quote Originally Posted by Travis Bell View Post
    Agreed. No idea where that one started.

    Big Corey, if you've never worn gear before, much less the gangster gear that is out there currently, you might want to refrain from making statements that you feel it's going to advance much further than it already has.

    I've worn just about every bench shirt out there and that's why I can say I feel gear has gone about as far as it's going to be able to go for a good while.

    The shirt that Ryan Kennelly wore when he benched 1075lbs in has been around for almost 10 years. It's just people didn't know how to use it.

    The 800lb bench is nowhere near comming, least not in the near future. Nobody has ever even been within 60lbs of it. Getting your raw bench to go up is much much more slow process than getting your shirted bench up. Fighting injuries is very difficult and the bigger your bench gets, the slower the progress.

    I don't think you really are grasping the immensity of what you're saying.

    There have been several guys within 40-50lbs of the 1000lb raw squat

    At least two guys have broken the 900lb DL (highest being almost 950)

    And the biggest raw bench is 715lbs - all of a sudden the raw bench record is going to shoot up 85lbs? Don't think so. 750 would be a much more realistic number that might be hit within the next 10 years. Even then it's a stretch
    Oh I know im no expert on the gear, never claimed to be, and the bending of the bones comment I found odd myself I just took it at face value and move on...lol

    I personally have always considered the gear as "cheating" but over time ive learned to just view it as the equipment for any sport, cant play basketball with out a hoop and ball, neither could I have been as effective at football without shoulder pads and helmet.

    Question, how long did Anthony Clark's 800 pound mark last?
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    i remember when shirts used to be for "safety." people were benching so much they were tearing muscles. now we have triple layer denim open back shirts like donnie thompson wears that he cant even get his arms to parallel without 600lbs on the bar. how is that stuff even impressive to anyone? the squat suits are almost the same way. thank goodness there are still a couple drug free federations and federations that have sane limits on equipment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by biggimp View Post
    i remember when shirts used to be for "safety." people were benching so much they were tearing muscles. now we have triple layer denim open back shirts like donnie thompson wears that he cant even get his arms to parallel without 600lbs on the bar. how is that stuff even impressive to anyone? the squat suits are almost the same way. thank goodness there are still a couple drug free federations and federations that have sane limits on equipment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigCorey75 View Post
    Question, how long did Anthony Clark's 800 pound mark last?
    Anthony Clark never benched 800


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    Quote Originally Posted by biggimp View Post
    i remember when shirts used to be for "safety." people were benching so much they were tearing muscles. now we have triple layer denim open back shirts like donnie thompson wears that he cant even get his arms to parallel without 600lbs on the bar. how is that stuff even impressive to anyone? the squat suits are almost the same way. thank goodness there are still a couple drug free federations and federations that have sane limits on equipment.
    What a dumb, ignorant comment to make on a powerlifting forum. Go hold 600 lbs above your face in triple ply and tell me you're not impressed by those that can. What is it exactly that you're so unimpressed by?? Do you have any idea what these guys can bench raw? Most likely double what you'll ever be able to do.
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    love the kind words. its my opinion. i pulled 535lbs raw as a lanky 6' 220lber in a sanctioned meet at age 17. i have benched in shirts, i have held 400+ above my head and pressed it. glad to know my opinion sucks though.
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