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The Five Biggest Contradictions in Fitness

Its no secret that when people contradict themselves, it has the effect of making the flaws in their actions or statements seem glaringly obvious. But what about when WE ourselves get caught contradicting ourselves by someone else?

By: Nick Tumminello Added: January 6th, 2014
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    Raw Power! (Copyed from MD forums)

    To settle a small debate brewing in the Powerlifting/Strongman section, I thought I'd post 3 videos and see what everyone thought represents the true test of raw power. ( This was a topic discussed in Muscular Developement forums as well).

    1st is the World Record raw deadlift.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wh-ikyBAQr8


    2nd is the World Record snatch.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FOE-PZJq2sk


    3rd is the Atlas Stone event from the last World's Strongest man.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1MHQRGef5s


    My position is a raw, conventional-stance deadlift is the best measure of pure, raw power because it requires only that.

    Olympic lifting and Strongman require raw power, plus other factors (athleticism, coordination, conditioning, flexibility, etc.).

    Vote and discuss.

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    I think it's the bench press.


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    Id say the deadlift. Bend over and pick something up. Its the most basic test of strength thats been used forever.
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    Everyone has their own opinion.

    Not sure you can convince them of once over the other.

    On opinion issues like this, there is no right answer


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    That deadlift wasn't raw! He used those ginormous bumbs growing out of his back! Cheater!!
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    Ill go with the conventional deadlift. Only b/c my bench sucks right now lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by ScottYard View Post
    Ill go with the conventional deadlift. Only b/c my bench sucks right now lol
    LOL the Squat because my deadlift sucks
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    fwiw, in milo 2.1, lyn jones shows a table showing the jerk as having the highest power output (5400 watts), the deadlift & squat both having 1100 watts. so from that it would seem the olympic lifts have the higest power, & he says the powerlifts have the highest strength or force production.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kingkong51 View Post
    LOL the Squat because my deadlift sucks
    +1 lol
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    I've got to say that I compete in powerlifting and love it. I'm also a big fan of Oly lifting and Strongman. They are all different sports! Why compare one to the other?!?! There are brutal strong guys in all of the sports!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Travis Bell View Post
    Everyone has their own opinion.

    Not sure you can convince them of once over the other.

    On opinion issues like this, there is no right answer
    Try telling that to the keyboard warriors on youtube. Some of the comments on those videos are ****ing ridiculous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by drummer View Post
    Try telling that to the keyboard warriors on youtube. Some of the comments on those videos are ****ing ridiculous.
    very true! most of those people are clowns!

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    I'd say the raw total is the best measure of pure strength.

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    [QUOTE=patos;2302803]I'd say the raw total is the best measure of pure strength.[/QU

    ok but try to talk about one lift....Like one of the three that I had named...

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    Quote Originally Posted by kingkong51 View Post
    LOL the Squat because my deadlift sucks
    Yup, I'm with you on that one.

    Squat is first, followed by bench press, then maybe the strict curl, then standing calf raise, then the deadlift.
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    Quote Originally Posted by drummer View Post
    Try telling that to the keyboard warriors on youtube. Some of the comments on those videos are ****ing ridiculous.
    Thats another reason I don't like videos posted on the internet. Too many dumbasses claiming to have a clue.
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    That's a tough one because I started out as a bench only lifter, and of course I will favor the bench more than the other lifts. With that said, I am trying to become a three lift powerlifter so I am definitely gaining respect for the squat and deadlift because they kick my butt. Out of the three you mentioned I choose the bench press.

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    All those vids are very, very impressive... however, if I had to choose its got to be the DL baby!

    That raw DL w/ no belt by KK is pure strength... I've seen it so many times and each time it like "whoaa"... Unbelievable!
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    Man I am really disappointed.

    I thought when I clicked the link for World Record snatch, I was going to get to watch a porn.

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    All the videos were definitely impressive and I'm a fan of all 3 sports. The DL (and all the powerlifts for that matter) require enormous amounts of strength at that level of competition. However, personally I'm more impressed by a combination of strength/power and technique so I've got to give it to the Snatch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Travis Bell View Post
    Everyone has their own opinion.

    Not sure you can convince them of once over the other.

    On opinion issues like this, there is no right answer
    That's not true. There is subjective opinion and then objective fact. Jeff is correct with his statements. The deadlift tests absolute strength better than the other two movements by its nature. The Olympic lifts require skill in the movement to a much greater degree than deadlifting, and stone lifting is limited by the awkward nature of the stone itself.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Cyrus Ford View Post
    That's a tough one because I started out as a bench only lifter, and of course I will favor the bench more than the other lifts. With that said, I am trying to become a three lift powerlifter so I am definitely gaining respect for the squat and deadlift because they kick my butt. Out of the three you mentioned I choose the bench press.
    Oops, I got so caught up with bench press I said bench press instead of DL. I meant to say out of the three you mentioned I choose the deadlift. Bench was't even a choice, lol.

    I never snatched or did the stones so I cannot compare.
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    The powerclean.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chris mason View Post
    That's not true. There is subjective opinion and then objective fact. Jeff is correct with his statements. The deadlift tests absolute strength better than the other two movements by its nature. The Olympic lifts require skill in the movement to a much greater degree than deadlifting, and stone lifting is limited by the awkward nature of the stone itself.
    Strictly speaking, since power is a function of work performed in a given amount of time, I'd guess the snatch objectively produces more power than the deadlift. But I'm sure you're right that the deadlift is a better test of raw strength.

    Regardless, those are all incredible feats of strength and athleticism.
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