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The Five Biggest Contradictions in Fitness

Itís no secret that when people contradict themselves, it has the effect of making the flaws in their actions or statements seem glaringly obvious. But what about when WE ourselves get caught contradicting ourselves by someone else?

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    Wannabebig Member Lewy23's Avatar
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    Deadlift Bar question

    Ok, my team and I are doing a Raw Meet in April. We do not own a deadlift bar unfortunately. But there will be one at the meet. Is there a huge difference? What should I expect and what should I tell my team to expect?

    I have heard it is easier to pull with a DL bar rather than a normal barbell. Just curious. Thanks for the help!

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    I didn't even know there was a deadlift bar. ha, awesome. Unless it's like a hex/trap bar or a cambered deadlift bar. Interested in this too now.
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    It's narrower which makes it easier to grip. It'll have more flex than a normal bar. You want to pull the slack out of the bar before you break the floor.
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    I'm curious to know what a deadlift bar is too. Maybe it's just like a regular barbell but stiffer. For most people it's easier to pull with a stiffer bar rather than one that has a lot of flex to it.
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    It also might just have to do with the location of the knurling. Some bars have a smooth section, like a gap in the knurling, where your shins would go while deadlifting in order to prevent the rough part of the bar form scraping against your shins.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MarcusWild View Post
    It's narrower which makes it easier to grip. It'll have more flex than a normal bar. You want to pull the slack out of the bar before you break the floor.
    This.

    Smaller circumfrance. More space b/t the collars for the sumo pullers. More flex in the bar. No center knurling.

    I personally would train with one if you can. If you are a guy who jerks the bar off the floor the whip in the bar may surprise you.
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    Echoing what Marcus and Adam said, if you can get one to train with I would do that. If not, you have to be ready to pull the slack out of the bar at the meet. I've seen some people who are using to really blasting the bar off the floor get thrown forward by a DL bar because they didn't pull the slack out and the bar whips on the way up.

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    Everything has pretty much been covered. Its thinner, whippier, with no center knurling. The first time I pulled off one I hit a small PR. You just have to keep in mind you can't 'jerk' the bar off the floor as the whip will hit and basically throw you off.

    Unlike what Phenom said, the smooth part probably isn't wide enough to prevent shin scraping. at the last APF meet I went to, there was a new rule I guess that said the lifter had to wear DL socks, shin guard, or have some kind of tape coving the shins for this very reason.
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    Everything has been covered but a bar with whip should actually be easier to pull with as long as you don't jerk off the floor.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kzk464s View Post
    Everything has pretty much been covered. Its thinner, whippier, with no center knurling. The first time I pulled off one I hit a small PR. You just have to keep in mind you can't 'jerk' the bar off the floor as the whip will hit and basically throw you off.

    Unlike what Phenom said, the smooth part probably isn't wide enough to prevent shin scraping. at the last APF meet I went to, there was a new rule I guess that said the lifter had to wear DL socks, shin guard, or have some kind of tape coving the shins for this very reason.
    Of course that depends on how wide the OPs stance is.
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    Interesting... Wish we had one at my gym.

    Do they cost about the same as a regular bar?
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    They are ~$400 shipped.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phenom View Post
    Of course that depends on how wide the OPs stance is.
    This is true, and also how close the bar is to the body when OP pulls. Some people drag it up their shins, some don't.

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    smaller diameter bar, more whip, deeper knurling. Im thinking about pulling with a regular bar until about 3 weeks until me meet because i think the regular bar will make u stronger when u come back to the dl bar.

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    Why does Rippetoe say a stiffer bar is better for DLs?
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    Same reason Rippetoe says to lift your ass first and turn your squat into a good morning.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SoCoBarbell View Post
    Same reason Rippetoe says to lift your ass first and turn your squat into a good morning.
    I think you're mistaken.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phenom View Post
    Why does Rippetoe say a stiffer bar is better for DLs?
    I have no idea. But I can tell you that no way in hell i want to try and pull over 700 lbs in a meet with a stiff bar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phenom View Post
    Why does Rippetoe say a stiffer bar is better for DLs?
    Because its harder perhaps? He is pretty much against most gear as well (I think) so I'm guessing that is where his stance lies.

    I have no idea.

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    Maybe he meant stiff compared to an olympic bar used for cleans and snatches?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phenom View Post
    Maybe he meant stiff compared to an olympic bar used for cleans and snatches?
    Well, deadlift bars are pretty similar in terms of whip/flex (brand differences notwithstanding of course) to oly bars, or are at least closer to them than they are to power bars.

    Difference of opinion perhaps?

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    thanks for all the responses....I def do not jerk the bar...I squeeze the bar up. I am lookin forward to the meet and using a DL bar! My first Raw meet...well see how it goes...been awhile since Ive trained heavy an competed...cant wait!!!!

    Our gym may be getting a DL/SQ bar...we may trade a standard barbell for one.

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    A DL/SQ bar? They are two separate, very different bars. The squat bar is 8 ft long (standard bar is 7 ft), 55 lbs, and thicker than a normal bar. It's designed to have minimal flex.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phenom View Post
    I think you're mistaken.
    REALLY? Watch him ruin this kids squat. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yha2XAc2qu8

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    Rippetoe advocates driving the ass up, but NOT at the expense of decreasing back angle, which would turn the squat into a good morning. It's in black and white. If that kid was doing that, it wasn't Rip telling him to.
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