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    3x5 to 5x5

    Would it be ok if i moved from a 3x5 to a 5x5, I was on starting strength. Now I want more volume for a small cut
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    More volume, when lifting heavy, is going to beat you down pretty quick while in caloric deficit.

    If your numbers are right you're 5'11" 165 lbs. You don't need a cut, bro... At least in my opinion.
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    im at 170 pounds now, not really a cut
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    Quote Originally Posted by aj24 View Post
    im at 170 pounds now, not really a cut
    Which means you should still be trying get bigger if you want to get stronger. If you want to get big and strong, stopping or trying to cut at 170 probably isn't the way to go.
    If you have some goal other than that, do whatever you feel you need to. I wouldn't crank the volume way up, especially if you are using primarily big lifts, if you are trying to cut.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aj24 View Post
    im at 170 pounds now, not really a cut
    at almost 6 foot and weighing 170? that sounds like you'd be lean i could be wrong though
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    i am lean just around the gut is more fat than everywhere else. I would just like to have muscle showing for the 3 months of summer break. Right after that break I would bulk again. I was at 145 start of winter and now im 170 pounds. My bench has gone up by about 40 pounds. I was thinking from switching a 3x5 to a 5x5 would be muscle confusion?
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    Quote Originally Posted by aj24 View Post
    i am lean just around the gut is more fat than everywhere else. I would just like to have muscle showing for the 3 months of summer break. Right after that break I would bulk again. I was at 145 start of winter and now im 170 pounds. My bench has gone up by about 40 pounds. I was thinking from switching a 3x5 to a 5x5 would be muscle confusion?
    Sounds like you have conflicting goals. You can't have it both ways.

    Switching from 3x5 to 5x5 will be incredibly taxing on your muscles and maybe even your CNS. You won't be eating enough food to promote growth, so you'll get completely beat down and progress will probably stall out completely.

    When cutting you should keep the weights high and the intensity (reps/sets) down. It will help you maintain strength while you're attempting to lose weight. You'll lose some strength no matter what, but you can minimize that by training smarter.

    I don't think you need to cut. But you obviously do, so good luck.
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    Cutting is more a function of diet rather than upping training volume.

    From what I read, most people recommend upping/maintaining intensity while decreasing volume when on a calorie deficit. As said before, upping your volume and decreasing your calories is going to take a lot out of you (not to mention muscle).

    5'11'' and 170 is still pretty light. Instead of cutting, I would focus on eating cleaner and maybe start carb rotating.
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    Read up on the Texas Method. There's a sticky on the forum with a lot of really good info on it. That should put you in the right direction
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    When cutting, less volume is better than more. Stick to the program until it stops working for you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ZenMonkey View Post
    When cutting, less volume is better than more.
    This is sound advice. I took this same advice and its working great for me. Only lost a few lbs on my "big 3" and a big 3" off my waist too.
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    Chin ups are actually on B days when I work bis, so stick with the 3x5? less volume?
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    What you are doing isn't really the starting strength program. If your "accessory" work is more than the primary work then something is wrong. I don't know why everyone thinks they are the exception and have to do a different program.

    Cut out all accessory work and you could probably add some more pounds to your lifts. If you are wondering why you've stalled and had to deload there's your reason.

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    Thats what I started with when I started. No accessory work. Now its not intense enough.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aj24 View Post
    Now its not intense enough.
    SS not intense?!?! Then you are not lifting enough.
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    It must have been, ive had to deload.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aj24 View Post
    It must have been, ive had to deload.
    You probably would not have had to deload if you weren't doing all the acc work. Just do the program and cut out excess carbs. Lift heavy and hard. If you think it is not intense enough add more weight to the bar and/or shorten your rest times. Most people in your situation can progress til they are benching 1.5X ther BW and squatting close to 2X. If you gain more muscle you will look leaner. Look at some of the guys in the pic section,they are big and lean.

    To give you an example I just went back on strict SS so that I can cut and not die from all the extra volume I was doing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aj24 View Post
    Thats what I started with when I started. No accessory work. Now its not intense enough.
    Quote Originally Posted by Nicky
    SS not intense?!?! Then you are not lifting enough.
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    It must have been, ive had to deload.
    +1 on Nicky's post.

    Also, I think Skinny is on to something, that the accessory work killed your gains/performance on SS.

    I'm working on my third month on SS and the thought of adding any accessory exercises makes me want to vomit. I'm just completely spent after the three lifts on every session.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nicky View Post
    SS not intense?!?! Then you are not lifting enough.

    QFT

    in all honesty man, by looking at your stats you are in no situation to cut. if you want to CLEAN up your diet, by all means do so. but you need to stick with SS until your numbers arent so bad. (no offense)
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    Alright, idk how my numbers are bad if im almost past my weight on everything, but will do
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    bad was the wrong term, i apologize. no ones numbers are bad. because we all have to start somewhere. but they are a little low to be thinking about cutting.
    i understand youre gaining some stomach fat. its part of the bulking. but you can also minimize to almost illuminate that by having a clean diet.
    just keep your head up man and keep lifting hard!
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    Haha i respect the critique, dont have to be sorry. i was way weaker before this site, and yes i am cleaning up the diet as of today.
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    Why are you doing high pulls instead of cleans? Have you watched the videos in the sticky?
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    yes i have, im not familiar with that exercise and the way its done it looks dangerous if not having somebody in the presence of knowing how to do it.
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    For that reason, if you can't do cleans you certainly shouldnt do high pulls. Learn to clean, you will be glad you did.
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