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The Five Biggest Contradictions in Fitness

Itís no secret that when people contradict themselves, it has the effect of making the flaws in their actions or statements seem glaringly obvious. But what about when WE ourselves get caught contradicting ourselves by someone else?

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    Cutting weight tomorrow - using mag citrate?

    Hi everyone,

    I have a weigh in on Sat morning at 10am. I compete at 220 but currently around 246.

    I have used magnesium citrate in the past but not in the last year and I think I need it as I really struggled without it when cutting this much.

    My question - when should I take it? My options are tonight, first thing am tomorrow or wait until after I've been in sauna for the day tomorrow?

    I am a little concerned as last time I had it in the pm before weigh in and felt like as soon as I drank/ate after weigh in the effects were still there. That's why I'm considering having it either tonight or first thing and then waiting a few hours before I sauna. The second way I could also drink some water after using it.

    Anyone's experience and advice would be great,

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    Last edited by martin; 03-25-2010 at 12:03 PM.
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    I'm no xpert on cutting weight, never used mag citrate - but my advise is with 48hrs from weigh-in you are 26 lbs over! Save your strength and compete in the 242 this time and start your cut earlier next meet. just my thought.

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    You lift on Sunday? It's a 24 hour weigh in correct?

    If I remember correctly the guys I've known that did this for a Friday weigh-in took the mag citrate on Wednesday night, the night before they really cut off the food intake. Once they are "cleaned out" they start taking off the water weight and weigh in Friday morning for a Saturday meet.
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    Are you already water loaded? Did you already cut all sodium from your diet? If not, then you need to start doing that right away. It'll give you a running start when you cut out all water.
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    I always took it on an empty stomach 24-36 hours prior to my planned weigh-in time

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    Quote Originally Posted by AdamBAG View Post
    You lift on Sunday? It's a 24 hour weigh in correct?

    If I remember correctly the guys I've known that did this for a Friday weigh-in took the mag citrate on Wednesday night, the night before they really cut off the food intake. Once they are "cleaned out" they start taking off the water weight and weigh in Friday morning for a Saturday meet.

    Yeah 24 hr weigh in with lifting Sunday. So that would mean me taking it tonight - which is what I'm leaning towards the more I think about it.

    Quote Originally Posted by MarcusWild View Post
    Are you already water loaded? Did you already cut all sodium from your diet? If not, then you need to start doing that right away. It'll give you a running start when you cut out all water.
    Yes this is the third day of water loading. Sodium has been minimal since lunchtime today.

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    Bench - 573 / 617 @ 246
    Dead - 727

    Best Total - 2204 lbs @ 226 18/07/2010

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    I'd say at least 24 hrs maybe as much as 72 hrs. What Adam said seems pretty reasonable. BTW, that's a huge cut
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    I'm taking it tonight then

    I was 246 on the scales before but that's absolutely full of water. I should be 240 or less in the morning after peeing tonight. I'm normally 242-243 day to day. I've cut this much about 5 times now so getting used to it - although everytime I tell myself never again lol.

    Cheers guys,

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    Best lifts @ 226 lbs

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    Bench - 573 / 617 @ 246
    Dead - 727

    Best Total - 2204 lbs @ 226 18/07/2010

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    make sure you post your results
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    I'm competing on Saturday as well (oly lifting) and I thought I had a lot of weight to cut (8lbs) haha

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    Cutting weight is dum. GFH
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    you should have started the water load for like 5 or 6 days not just 3. that is a huge cut. imo.

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    please post results of this cut
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    u should have taken half last nite, and half this morning and cut your water and food out completely today

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    Quote Originally Posted by KarstenDD View Post
    Cutting weight is dum. GFH
    dum?

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    if ur 240 when u go to bed tonite, u wont make 220 unless u wake up really early and hot tub it, and even then u still probably wont unless u got a lot of lasix.

    i just saw that was yesterday. U need to take about 3-4 immodium after you weigh in. I also like to eat about 5k worth of salt capsules after i weigh in as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jmccown View Post
    please post results of this cut
    Update- got on scales last night at 249. Decided that I would go ahead with mag cit and take herbal water pills and if I woke less than 240 I'd cut.

    Woke up 7am at 238. Sauna today alot and I'm 225 now 10pm with 12hrs to weigh in. Feeling pretty rough but only as normal.

    Can't wait till I can drink lol

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    Best lifts @ 226 lbs

    Squat - 903
    Bench - 573 / 617 @ 246
    Dead - 727

    Best Total - 2204 lbs @ 226 18/07/2010

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    Quote Originally Posted by martin View Post
    Update- got on scales last night at 249. Decided that I would go ahead with mag cit and take herbal water pills and if I woke less than 240 I'd cut.

    Woke up 7am at 238. Sauna today alot and I'm 225 now 10pm with 12hrs to weigh in. Feeling pretty rough but only as normal.

    Can't wait till I can drink lol

    Martin
    is that on the meet scale? I always check the meet scale if you can. If your 225 on the meet scale id sauna or hot tub till about 222 n call it good.

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    Those are pretty amazing results bro, great job. Best of luck in the meet and post up your results and how you felt with such a big cut.
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    Cheers guys an big thanks Mick for your advice.

    I weighed 223.3 at 6 am this morning but that's on my scale and it's usualy a pound or so over most meet scales I've been on. I drove down to the weigh in in sauna suit with as much heat on in car as I could stomach without feeling like dying lol which wasn't much.

    Weighed in at 10.30 am at 99.6 kg on meet scale - so 219.5 lbs.

    Been getting fluids back in and just started on solid meals, I'm back to around 235 ish.

    I will post up my results after lifting - I'm not expecting alot due to a muscle tear in my back a few weeks back so I'm not sure if I can deadlift at all butwill hopefully go for a squat and bench PR if nothing else.

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    Best lifts @ 226 lbs

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    Bench - 573 / 617 @ 246
    Dead - 727

    Best Total - 2204 lbs @ 226 18/07/2010

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    Just to update anyone who's interested -

    Had a good day yesterday. Didn't have much sleep the night before as we had an early start to get there on time and the time zone adjustment so we lost an hour too.

    Squatting felt easy and strong, opened at 827 and then 881 on my second. Both were ok and was going to go for 903 on third but got talked into going for British record of 928 but failed it.

    Bench was a nightmare - had the worst cramping in my lats and lower back and couldn't put feet down on the floor. 30 mins of hip/glute stretching and some more fluids helped and got two new bench PR's of 540 and 562. Both were hard and painful but managed it.

    I wasn;t sure about the pull due to a back injury a few weeks ago, opened at 585 as it felt ok when warming up with it and went to 705 on my second. It went up fast but I passed a third as I had not alot to gain and didn't want any injuries.

    So I totaled 2150. Thats a 70 ish PR total and know I have another 20-30 lbs in the pull and should have 10-15 on squat.

    It's comoing together finally. Thanks again for those who helped me with all the advice above and also thanks to those who have given me advice on technique and training.

    Martin
    Best lifts @ 226 lbs

    Squat - 903
    Bench - 573 / 617 @ 246
    Dead - 727

    Best Total - 2204 lbs @ 226 18/07/2010

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    Sick total brother! Wauy to go!
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    Congrats on the meet results (and surviving that cut)!
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    SICK cut bro.. that was awesome.. great results also, heal up and 2200 total next time!!
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    Cheers guys!

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    Best lifts @ 226 lbs

    Squat - 903
    Bench - 573 / 617 @ 246
    Dead - 727

    Best Total - 2204 lbs @ 226 18/07/2010

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