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The Five Biggest Contradictions in Fitness

Its no secret that when people contradict themselves, it has the effect of making the flaws in their actions or statements seem glaringly obvious. But what about when WE ourselves get caught contradicting ourselves by someone else?

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    What made your upper body GROW?

    Is there anything you found that caused significant increase in mass and strength for the upper body?

    What set and rep schemes seemed to work the best? 5x5, 3x8, 5x10, 1-3 rep powerlifting style?

    Which exercises got you moving? Bench, inclines, more back work, shoulder work flys, chin-ups?

    And if anyone says squats I'll slap you.

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    Squats, deads, 5x5, and 200g of protein a day worked for me. I never did any of those for the 15+ years I worked out off and on, and I never could crack 190 lbs of bw, or 235 on bench...now I'm 215 and bench 315 in just about a year (up from 176 lbs bw and 180 lb bench when I started). I always used to do 3 sets of 12 on everything, and basically did nothing but accessory work, with some bench mixed in.
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    If for some reason I was limited to only doing one upper body exercise for the rest of my life, I would choose the Weighted Bar Dip.

    No other upper body exercise has worked me as hard as the bar dip. It really works the chest, shoulders, arms, and even the upper back. I'd do it progressively with moderate reps and sets, say 3 sets of 5 to 8 reps.

    Of course doing ALL pushing will lead to overuse, so I'd have to throw in a pulling exercise...

    If I had to choose one upper body pulling exercise to pair with the dips, it would be Torso Supported 1 Arm Dumbbell Row for it's effectiveness and safety. Paired with the Dips, the Row would give me balanced and complete development of the upper body.
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    I powerlift. But when I did train for hypertrophy I responded well to a 4x8. And heavy squats will not make you upper body big. It may help a little, but people have taken that message and grossly perverted it. I love the squat, my favorite exercise. Definitely the best movement for overall size, but not even close for one of the best exercises for upper body size or strength.
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    Just for argument's sake... The squat is not a great upper body focus exercise because it does not work it directly enough. However, if all you did was squat and nothing else, your upper body will grow, so that should tell you something right there. And by simply adding the squat, your upper body exercises become more productive.
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    Re the squat thing.

    OK, I love the squat, its my favourite exercise. When I started lifting again a couple of years ago I did a 5x5 which most people nowadays would probably call starting strength and I grew all over. I got horrendous stretch marks on my pecs, shoulders, back and arms even though my bench never got that impressive. I can only put that systemic growth down to squatting 3x a week and eating. Sure, the bench, rows, chins and presses helped but the squat was the engine that drove my overall progress.

    The problem now is that my bench and overhead press have never got better. This has been made worse by a shoulder and wrist issue, which caused me to really neglect my pressing work. Using 5x5, and using low rep stuff my squat and dead have consistently increased but I'm just completely stuck with pressing, and those lifts are way lower than they should be. I need to add some size and strength there to even things up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThomasG View Post
    I powerlift. But when I did train for hypertrophy I responded well to a 4x8[...]
    Although to directly answer the title, food has made my biggest gains. It wasn't till I truly understood the importance of food that my lifts and size sky rocketed.
    Thanks. I was thinking 4x8 might be a good idea. I'm sick to death of the 5-6 rep range and I think I need to try something different on my upper body. Yeah, I eat a lot of whole food, but I'm tempted to experiment with more shakes to increase my protein intake. I've heard some hardgainer types sometimes need more than 300g protein to get stubborn parts growing. I'm 210 so I'm not small, just most of that weight is in my legs!

    This thread wasn't meant to be only about me though. I just wanted to start a general discussion on what worked for different people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Off Road View Post
    Just for argument's sake... The squat is not a great upper body focus exercise because it does not work it directly enough. However, if all you did was squat and nothing else, your upper body will grow, so that should tell you something right there. And by simply adding the squat, your upper body exercises become more productive.
    I agree with this. Squatting has helped my bench quite a bit. Now a lot of people will take your message and pervert it and then you get whole squat for big arms people.

    It's basic kinesiology as you mentioned it does not directly hit your upper body. Rather than the static contractions due to holding the bar in place.
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    For me it would have to be the deadlift. Properly done it probably has the single biggest effect on both strength and mass to your body (provided sufficient caloric intake and recuperation.) Squats would be a close second.
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    There really wasn't one special exercise that did the trick for me. Rather it was a combination of heavy work mixed with super high rep sets.


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    Really?

    How did you set that up? In Chris Mason's article about building a big back he recommends a couple of exercises in the 12-30 range to increase time under tension and engorge the muscles with blood after doing heavy 6rep sets. Which makes sense. Has anybody else on the board got good results with mixing low rep and high rep work like this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by drummer View Post
    Is there anything you found that caused significant increase in mass and strength for the upper body?

    What set and rep schemes seemed to work the best? 5x5, 3x8, 5x10, 1-3 rep powerlifting style?

    Which exercises got you moving? Bench, inclines, more back work, shoulder work flys, chin-ups?

    And if anyone says squats I'll slap you.
    for the longest time I body built and did super sets so typical day was like this....

    Chest /Back

    Inc BP 3 x 6
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    Pendalay Row 3 x 6

    BP 2 x 6
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    Seated Row / Tbar 2 x 6

    Weighted Dips 2-3 x 6-8
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    Weighted Pullups (palms out) 2-3 x 6-8


    Id have another day on a 5 day split where itd be similar except Id use DB the next time so like
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    DB Row etc...
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    Quote Originally Posted by drummer View Post
    Really?

    How did you set that up? In Chris Mason's article about building a big back he recommends a couple of exercises in the 12-30 range to increase time under tension and engorge the muscles with blood after doing heavy 6rep sets. Which makes sense. Has anybody else on the board got good results with mixing low rep and high rep work like this?
    This is almost exactly how I've gained the most size. When I started training with a basic Westside-style template that has you doing heavy work followed by higher reps for assistance work I gained the most size.

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    weighted chins and military press...jesus what a diference after i started these.

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    Quote Originally Posted by drummer View Post
    Really?

    How did you set that up? In Chris Mason's article about building a big back he recommends a couple of exercises in the 12-30 range to increase time under tension and engorge the muscles with blood after doing heavy 6rep sets. Which makes sense. Has anybody else on the board got good results with mixing low rep and high rep work like this?
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    you're an intelligent guy... but you're also half #$%&ing crazy... and that my friend is the formula for a great powerlifter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Travis Bell View Post
    There really wasn't one special exercise that did the trick for me. Rather it was a combination of heavy work mixed with super high rep sets.
    Travis what do you consider "Super high reps?" 15-25? I never go above 25 but have read about some people going higher on their assistance work.
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    30-50 reps. It's in my log


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    On my off days, some of the exercises I do 100 reps per set


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    interesting I've thoughts about incorporating some 30+ rep stuff into my routine. I'll think I've give it a shot and see how I respond to it.
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    you're an intelligent guy... but you're also half #$%&ing crazy... and that my friend is the formula for a great powerlifter.
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    Deadlifts helped me out, quite a bit. Then pullups and sohp have helped. Eating helped the most.

    @drummer - have you considered doing 5/3/1 for bench and sohp? I started that sometime last year and both lifts are still progressing for me.
    Give chalk a chance.


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