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The Five Biggest Contradictions in Fitness

Itís no secret that when people contradict themselves, it has the effect of making the flaws in their actions or statements seem glaringly obvious. But what about when WE ourselves get caught contradicting ourselves by someone else?

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  1. #1
    Super Ectomorph on Crack Justin Ryan's Avatar
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    Help!! Doc says I shouldn't work out anymore!

    Hey everyone!

    I haven't been on for the last few months because I have been pretty upset with this. This December (2009) I was accepting to become a Marine Officer and go to OCS, however, the doctors found a clicking in my heart which we ended up finding out was Mitral Valve and Tricuspid Regurgitation with Prolapse, and some kind of P-valve leakage. Aparantly it's pretty bad for someone my age. I've been workout out almost daily for since I joined this website until January my Cardiologist said I should stop lifting weights because it's bad for my heart condition... In particular he said no squating, deadlifting, BP'ing. He said if I do I should stick to kinestetics... It's been 3 months and I've lost almost 20lbs because since I'm not working out I don't eat as much, and I'm sick of this crap!!! I want to go back to the gym!! I was at a nice lean 178 and now I'm back to 155.....

    Have any of you had a problem like this?? Is there any workouts to overcome this??

    How can I get back to where I was with just doing pushups, pullups and dips?? and what about my legs??

    The doc said the problem which will make my murmur worse is blood pressure and the problem with lifting weights is the chest cavity pressure and the tendency to hold your breath which all increases blood pressure.

    If i worked on controlled breathing would that allow me to continue???


    Oh and yeah, I got disqualified from the Marines because of it... Which has been my lifelong dream....

    Thanks for any help anyone can give!! I'm just soo sick of sitting on my butt and want to get in the gym!!!!

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    No one here is in any kind of position to give you medical advice. Get another medical opinion.

    You sound like you have a very serious condition. No one with any medical experience will give you any substantive advice without examining you. Anyone who tries to give you any advice based on what you've posted is talking out of their ass and shouldn't be listened to.

    Good luck and I hope you can find some sort of exercise regime that is both safe and enjoyable.
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    No more weightlifting. Your blood pressure (albeit briefly) skyrockets when you lift. I would talk to your doctor further about what kind of intensity you can do. Please do not take any advice you read online or from these forums. I can't imagine how unbelievably frustrating this must be/

    Obviously you won't be getting jacked anytime soon, but some moderate cardio and a good diet can keep you in really good shape. You can still lead a healthy active life, but you are going to have some restrictions.

    Just out of curiosity, do you know the area of your valves?
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    You sound like you have a very serious condition. No one with any medical experience will give you any substantive advice without examining you. Anyone who tries to give you any advice based on what you've posted is talking out of their ass and shouldn't be listened to.
    What he said, second opinion from a real doctor
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    Yeah some people here know quiet a bit about health issues but that first paragraph might as well have been in Spanish as far as I'm concerned. Get real advice from a qualified medical professional. Hopefully you get it sorted out.
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    Super Ectomorph on Crack Justin Ryan's Avatar
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    Yeah, I have gone to two cardiologists. One was a Marine Doctor, and the other was my personal one.

    Specifics on the valve, My mitral valve expands and then flips open when it's supposed to close, so like a double door swinging instead of stopping closed. And like P-valve or something or other is supposed to stop unoxygenated blood from going to the oxygenated side, and I have a small leak there... It's not a "serious" issue like I'm not going to fall over dead tomorrow (Hopefully) but I just need to be careful so I don't end up needing heart surgery in 10 or 20 years

    I talked to my Doc and he said I can still run, he said a mile or two a couple times a week, but not near the level for when I was training with the Marines. He said I can continue doing pushups/pullups as long as I don't "Exert" myself....

    I'm not really loooking for medical advice, maybe I should have made that more clear in the first post. I was just trying to give a overview of the problem.

    I'm more looking for advice on if anyone here has any heart problems and what they do? And also if there are more workouts that focus around kinestetics rather than weights?

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    Get another opinion if your doctor is telling you that you are okay to run distance but not lift. Your stroke volume and heart rate increase with exercise which can exacerbate a heart condition. Either both are bad for you or neither are, can't pick and choose.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bikkstah View Post
    Get another opinion if your doctor is telling you that you are okay to run distance but not lift. Your stroke volume and heart rate increase with exercise which can exacerbate a heart condition. Either both are bad for you or neither are, can't pick and choose.
    This is not true. It is totally dependant on the heart condition.
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    Sorry to hear about your health and the Marines. That blows.

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    It will take some research but I'd recommend trying to find a cardiologist that has experience with athletes. The higher the level the better. You may still get the same answer but you'll at least know that this doc has experience working with high level athletes and patients that take training seriously. For me personally I try to use docs that are associated with local sports teams, especially specialists, whenever possible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StLRPh View Post
    It will take some research but I'd recommend trying to find a cardiologist that has experience with athletes. The higher the level the better. You may still get the same answer but you'll at least know that this doc has experience working with high level athletes and patients that take training seriously. For me personally I try to use docs that are associated with local sports teams, especially specialists, whenever possible.

    Good luck,
    This is very good advice. Don't be afraid to be pushy OP, if you aren't happy with an answer, go find another cardiologist.
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    Quote Originally Posted by StLRPh View Post
    It will take some research but I'd recommend trying to find a cardiologist that has experience with athletes. The higher the level the better. You may still get the same answer but you'll at least know that this doc has experience working with high level athletes and patients that take training seriously. For me personally I try to use docs that are associated with local sports teams, especially specialists, whenever possible.

    Good luck,
    That's a good Idea. I'll try and find one somewhere.

    Thanks for the help everyone!!

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    Just curious, can surgery fix this?
    (I have almost no med experience, so forgive my ignorance.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bosch232 View Post
    Just curious, can surgery fix this?
    (I have almost no med experience, so forgive my ignorance.)
    I was thinking the same thing. I'd rather have surgery to fix the problem then never be able to train.
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    I would think that in the long run it'd be better to do the surgery now if it's possible. You're younger and in a better position to recover quickly.

    If I couldn't exercise I'd be about 400lbs.

    Just remember--the doctor works for YOU..not the other way around. He shouldn't take it personally if you get another opinion. If you have good insurance, go to the best!
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    It may be possible that money is just too much of a barrier. I mean chances are that most people can find a way to afford stuff like that if they need it but you never know. I'd still much rather pay up for a surgery than never be able to train hard anymore though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bosch232 View Post
    Just curious, can surgery fix this?
    (I have almost no med experience, so forgive my ignorance.)
    Obviously, I don't know the OP's specifics, but yes, valve replacement surgeries can correct these issues. It sounds like there are three valves invovled. The tricuspid and mitral (also called the bicuspid) valves separate the lower chambers of the heart (ventricals) from the upper (atrias). When the ventricals contract, these valves are supposed to seal off the atrias so that the blood goes out of the heart (to the lungs from the right side, and the body from the left side) instead of back into the atria. If that doesn't happen, fluid backup occurs and can cause a bunch of issues. I'm assuming that the P valve he spoke of is the pulmonic valve, which is a one way valve from the heart to the lungs. With these valves malfunctioning, any type of heavy straining/increase in blood pressure would excacerbate the fluid buildup in the lungs.

    I agree with what everyone else has said: this is nothing to mess around with, and he should only do what the doc says. As a paramedic, I've treated a number of patients with pulmenary edema, and while it is treatable most times (sometimes we can turn a patient around in minutes), it is terrifying for the patient to not be able to breathe.
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