The Five Biggest Contradictions in Fitness
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The Five Biggest Contradictions in Fitness

Itís no secret that when people contradict themselves, it has the effect of making the flaws in their actions or statements seem glaringly obvious. But what about when WE ourselves get caught contradicting ourselves by someone else?

By: Nick Tumminello Added: January 6th, 2014
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    Quote Originally Posted by LouPac View Post
    Oh come on man, 1470 is extremely strong. Are you anywhere near the best, no way, but anyone that can get near a 1500lbs total is stronger than 99% of the people in this world. Let's try to keep things in perspective here.
    It's called ELITE for a reason.

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    I think the disagreement here is not about elite, but what constitutes "strong". I still consider a 1470+ raw at 198 is strong, but not elite. I guess some people only consider someone strong if they have reached elite.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Mutaffis View Post
    I was going to say that a 'big' RAW total for a 198 would be somewhere around 1,500 lbs.
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    Your right Tom, I didnt take into consideration the gap between a top 50 lifter in the country and a top 5-10 lifter. A 1500 pund raw total at 198 would be very very strong.
    I'm just going to quote what these two very strong lifters posted. Elite is Elite, but you cannot say that a 1500lb total is not strong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sean S View Post
    I think the disagreement here is not about elite, but what constitutes "strong". I still consider a 1470+ raw at 198 is strong, but not elite. I guess some people only consider someone strong if they have reached elite.
    1500 at 198 is strong.

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    Damn. You guys have extremely high expectations for "strong"
    "Donít fall for the crap that people are peddling on message boards, in magazines or on TV. Get your **** in order, and get your training in order. Start kicking ass, and take out the crap that doesnít matter. Start doing and believing in the stuff that works, and do it today and forever. You want science and studies? **** you. Iíve got scars and blood and vomit."
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    This really makes me think about the 2 "elite" totals I've hit, both with multiply equipment, and I've never ranked any higher than 10th on the powerlifting USA top 100. I mean I was very happy with #10,but I wouldn't say it made me "one of the best" in my weight class; which is what "elite" should truly be. So I'd say having seperate "elites" for raw, single ply, and multiply makes sense; but essentially I think a better guide would be looking at the powerlifting watch lifter rankings; If you make #5 or above for the year in you class with your type of equipment I'd say that's elite.

    The other issue here though is that there used to only be 1 "style" of lifting, so this means that powerlifting is divided at least in thirds (not sure what % of lifters compete in which categories); so basically if you took the top 2 raw, 2 single ply and 2 multiply you "might" have the 6 "top" lifters in that weight class ( which would be elite overall), this kind of makes sense when you look at ranking lists. There are always 2 or 3 guys that are just leaps and bounds ahead of the next few guys on the list.

    I guess I'm just rambling my thoughts, but does this make sense to others?
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