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    ahhh good ol 20 rep squats. They make me want to cry. Sadly 225 would kick my ass solid work. Do you plan to incorporate high rep squats frequently?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian Hopper View Post
    I did them last week as my last set and they about killed me, haha.

    I'm thinking about doing them again this week, but maybe do them at the end like you did.
    The huff and puff and feeling at the ends all worth it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Invain View Post
    Crazy squats man. I don't think I've gone over 10 reps in at least a year.
    Lol.... crazy squats would be what you and Thomas squat. And crazy 20 rep squats would be what OR squats... he's on his way back up to 350x20! Mine were essentially a pump set lol

    Quote Originally Posted by Meat_Head View Post
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    How do you manage the volume you work with? Did you start with that volume when you got serious or work up to it? Do you ever take a week off?
    NO wayy. I started pretty low volume. I'm actually going to put a link to my first online journal in my next post in a minute here, you can take a look at that.

    Do I ever take a week off? Yeah. I definitely did probably one full week every 6 months earlier on. But as my training got more and more instinctual rest just sort is ingrained in a little chunk here or a little chunk there. Today for instance I want to train so, so, so bad. I'm not on a schedule of train this part on this day and that part on that day but on average I've been managing 11 workouts over a 14 day span. Badly as I want to train tonight my shoulders don't feel 100% recovered for push day and as well I'm pretty DOMS'd all over maybe just a little slower in general. I actually woke up in the middle of the night and it kept me up for a while deciding that I wasn't ready to train today. Oh well. I plan to make push day tomorrow worth the wait!


    Quote Originally Posted by ThomasG View Post
    ahhh good ol 20 rep squats. They make me want to cry. Sadly 225 would kick my ass solid work. Do you plan to incorporate high rep squats frequently?
    LOL. Mr fighting for a national record squat comes in here and tries to snowball me. You could 3pps x 30 bro. STFU or GTFO no BS flattery in here 225 is bush league and you know it
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    Quote Originally Posted by Meat_Head View Post
    (taking notes...)

    How do you manage the volume you work with? Did you start with that volume when you got serious or work up to it? Do you ever take a week off?
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    Fairly low volume. Ignoring warmup sets anywhere from about 5-9 sets for a larger muscle and about 3-6 for a smaller. Ignore my 15 year old antics.
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    This is why I looked it up the other day. I wanted to show OR I've not always been a volume junkie with lots of little detail work


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    Rory, do you actually compete in BBing? Or just recreational?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mchicia1 View Post
    Rory, do you actually compete in BBing? Or just recreational?
    I'm a poseur.
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    The huff and puff and feeling at the ends all worth it.
    We'll see tomorrow!!! I'm probably going to do it again after my last heavy squat.
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    Nice squats and the milf....
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    I hear ya on wanting to train so bad when you really shouldn't. I just got those sleeves in and I'm dying to try them out, but my glutes and quads disagree.

    I loled going through your old journal. The workouts look very good, but it's funny to see you complaining about getting grounded from the gym. . Must be a nostalgic read for you I'm sure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chevelle2291 View Post
    I hear ya on wanting to train so bad when you really shouldn't. I just got those sleeves in and I'm dying to try them out, but my glutes and quads disagree.

    I loled going through your old journal. The workouts look very good, but it's funny to see you complaining about getting grounded from the gym. . Must be a nostalgic read for you I'm sure.
    Yeah. Lol at me punching the cast iron bathtub after I got grounded from the gym...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Behemoth View Post
    Thanks Brian. They weren't that tough considering I was pretty spent by that point. What I wasn't expecting was how flexible I was by that point. For years squats were my money maker and always the first exercise, it took me by surprise the different feel with everything so much more pre-loosened up.
    Higher rep squats suck no matter what. I hate doing 15 reps with 135 now! It's funny to think how I can be so lazy, but I try to warm up so I'm nice and loose.

    I'm too lazy to do 15 reps on squats, but I'll be willing to load up the bar and go to the max.


    That read from your old journal is so cute, 135x8. You have come such a long way. It goes to show that we all have to start some where. I think it's a great read for any one just getting into lifting with aspirations of adding size.

    I think all of us previous skinny weaklings remember the ultimate accomplishment. 45 pound plates on each side of the bench press!! Epic!
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    Funny to read the old stuff. You have come such a long way, its amazing.

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    That's good stuff Rory. I will always think of you as a 20 rep guy now. You are part of the man club now

    Also, laughing at the back issues from shooting archery. I remember a time when I could not pull back my brand new 60lb bow because I would start shaking so bad. I had to turn that thing way down so I could pull it with a relatively flat draw. I had it turned down so low I thought the limbs were going to pop out of the riser. lol
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    I was suppose to do a set of 20 rep squats today but I forgot, lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian Hopper View Post
    I was suppose to do a set of 20 rep squats today but I forgot, lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian Hopper View Post
    We'll see tomorrow!!! I'm probably going to do it again after my last heavy squat.
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    I was suppose to do a set of 20 rep squats today but I forgot, lol
    Looks like it's a two a day workout day for you

    But in actuality, as a competitive powerlifter do you think 20 reppers would/will serve much purpose? I think they have great application for hypertrophy and endurance but not sure how they'd fit in to a PL routine? I'm pretty unlearned in specific strength oriented endeavors to be honest.

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    Nice squats and the milf....
    Yeah. Unfortunately she always shows up with a long time member and her fiance who I don't think likes me much. Her fiance always wears a ****load of cologne to the gym and it's always annoyed me. Last year I was doing BB lunges and walked through a cloud of it. Afterwards I addressed him with a pretty big "wtf dude" attitude.We give each other a "whatup nod" every now and then but there's definitely a lil tension lol.

    Quote Originally Posted by Time+Patience View Post
    Higher rep squats suck no matter what. I hate doing 15 reps with 135 now! It's funny to think how I can be so lazy, but I try to warm up so I'm nice and loose.

    I'm too lazy to do 15 reps on squats, but I'll be willing to load up the bar and go to the max.


    That read from your old journal is so cute, 135x8. You have come such a long way. It goes to show that we all have to start some where. I think it's a great read for any one just getting into lifting with aspirations of adding size.

    I think all of us previous skinny weaklings remember the ultimate accomplishment. 45 pound plates on each side of the bench press!! Epic!
    hehe. Yeah I guess there was some solid training in there for where I was at given the time. I've never got too excited about weight milestones except maybe a 4pps squat. That's probably the only time I actually lifted a true 1rm. My bests in DL and bench I could probably have added more weight and done a consecutive set the very workout or come back to in a week or so to see what my true max was, but just never bothered. Almost pathetic to think I've been training this long and only have a 4pps squat. No sugar-coated reply on this either, it doesn't bother me. I'm just stating that even the small strength levels I've attained really don't excite or concern me.

    Quote Originally Posted by RvNijnatten View Post
    Funny to read the old stuff. You have come such a long way, its amazing.
    All things considered though, it's been a long time. Though some people do spin there wheel for years and years any half decent routine with some food and the right mindset will get anybody a little LBM over some years.

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    That's good stuff Rory. I will always think of you as a 20 rep guy now. You are part of the man club now

    Also, laughing at the back issues from shooting archery. I remember a time when I could not pull back my brand new 60lb bow because I would start shaking so bad. I had to turn that thing way down so I could pull it with a relatively flat draw. I had it turned down so low I thought the limbs were going to pop out of the riser. lol
    Lol yeah. When I got that bow I had it at 60lbs and though it wasn't a struggle or anything, it wasn't exactly easy either. I cranked it up to 70 a few years later. I haven't hunted archery for a couple years now but it's a pretty easy pull/hold these days.
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    I have a real dull ache in my right shoulder, I've had it probably a half of dozen times before in my life (since 2005) and it always goes away with a little rest. I'm not overly concerned about it but I'd be silly to keep plugging away full steam not knowing the exact cause of it. Really it's almost an arthritic like pain that feels like the bone deep within is aching. All this considered I did some extra warming up and really felt out the presses before deciding if I was going to take them heavy. Didn't bother me but later with the crossovers it was pretty evident so I just took it easy and got out.

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    Cable Reverser Don't know if this has a real name. I used to do it years ago and just called it that. Put a single handle on a cable and first do pushdowns with an underhand grip (technically I guess this would be a tricep pulldown?) once you fail flip the grip over to an overhand pushdown. Repeat with the other arm.
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    130s + 10 per side X 5
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    This kid goes 130-140lbs and thats 365
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    This locker room light tends to a few things. One wash me out and make me look pale and sickly as phuck and Two - bring out exceptionally fatty areas. I have a ton of fat on my lower abs you can't see in these though


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    But in actuality, as a competitive powerlifter do you think 20 reppers would/will serve much purpose? I think they have great application for hypertrophy and endurance but not sure how they'd fit in to a PL routine? I'm pretty unlearned in specific strength oriented endeavors to be honest.
    I don't think they will serve a big purpose at all, but for conditioning and endurance, yes. Also, some lifters respond to high rep sets like that. When I do them, im not doing them to get stronger, im doing it for the muscle endurance.
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    Numbers are solid, that last side chest shot is impressive. I saw a post with your FitDay diet. Are you shooting for a weight goal on your cut or a BF goal? How's the strength been holding up so far? It seems like your lifts are getting bigger, not smaller...?

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    I know you think that a lot of lifters are selling themselves short on volume. What do you think is reasonable volume for a beginner or intermediate lifter? Do you recommend increasing volume over time(as you have?)?
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    Quote Originally Posted by joey54 View Post
    Shoulders are unreal.
    They've always been a pretty strong point with little else than lateral raises!

    Quote Originally Posted by Brian Hopper View Post
    I don't think they will serve a big purpose at all, but for conditioning and endurance, yes. Also, some lifters respond to high rep sets like that. When I do them, im not doing them to get stronger, im doing it for the muscle endurance.
    It scares me to think the weight you would have chose for them considering you just squatted 510x9!

    Quote Originally Posted by KFeld View Post
    Numbers are solid, that last side chest shot is impressive. I saw a post with your FitDay diet. Are you shooting for a weight goal on your cut or a BF goal? How's the strength been holding up so far? It seems like your lifts are getting bigger, not smaller...?
    No weight goal. I originally thought I'd finish up in the low 190s but looks like I'll be high 190s at the end of next week when I bump 500 or so cals. I never diet to a weight goal actually, I think it's silly. I don't diet to a specific BF percentage as much as I do a visual look in my mind (obviously they're pretty closely tied) but if I look like I wanted to and look myself down and assess I'm probably 2% higher than I thought I'd be, that's fine.

    Strengths beens stellar. If I weren't laid off and able to sleep 12 hours a day right now I'd probably be getting pretty run down. I go back to work monday so I'll have one more week of dieting then one week up 500 around maintenance then up another 500 for 72/weeks at that point still probably around maintenance. We'll see how it all goes.

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    I know you think that a lot of lifters are selling themselves short on volume. What do you think is reasonable volume for a beginner or intermediate lifter? Do you recommend increasing volume over time(as you have?)?
    That's kind of tough. I do think it is very important that a lot of fundamentals are established before going off the deep end trying to find how much volume you can get away with. I think most of the typical routine (though even they are varied) are just fine for a long time, or even forever. I think at some point it's worth a lifters while to just go off the deep end for a few months. If they've learned how to work hard and it shows because they've made good gains, I'd like to see a lifter keep that intensity the same but increase the volume by 150% or 200% for a few months just to see what happens. That's pretty much what happened with me. I always made great gains on a pretty simple routine, and then I was pushed with nearly double the volume. I already knew how to work hard and wasn't going to come in the gym and half ass just because it took twice as long. Much to my surprise my gains skyrocketed.
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