I really don't think I'm getting much carry-over from speed bench. My best touch 'n go is 295 and pause bench 275. Maybe it's to early in my training for speed bench? I was thinking instead of speed bench replace it with pin presses or pause bench 8x3 @ 60% or some RE effort?
How are you evaluating whether or not you're getting benefit from speed bench?
Are you doing your accessory work properly?
How long have you been doing speed bench work? Are you training bench twice a week? Once a week? Three times? It's helpful to know these to get some more context as to how you train.
Are you using accomodating resistance?
I used to doubt that speed bench worked, then I went to exclusively doing it with bands and chains and I made a lot of progress. I never had much luck with straight weight speed work.
Also, what is your max effort work like? Everyone assumes it is their speed work that is at fault, but bad exercise selection on max effort day can be the culprit as well.
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I don't think you can think of speed bench as (8x3 speed bench) x (12 sessions) = 10 pounds on my lift. Rather I noticed the effects of doing DE benches in how my max efforts moved and how much energy I lost in them, in addition to any carryover poundage.
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my speed work gave me the ability to bring the weight down faster and more under controlled. it took awhile for me to see that in training. keep it up
The thing for me is speed work enables me to practice staying really, really tight with both my setup and as I'm moving the weight. When I'm on with my speed work and its exploding off my chest with control, my max bench goes up. If I'm loose on the speed work, I'm lolling on the bench, or I'm not moving the weight fast, my max bench is doing the same thing.
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What kind of weights are you using for speed bench? Bands and chains are a must to really see the benefits w/ DE work IMO...(45%- 55% 1rm) 9x3
Stay with it and you will see your bar speed increase w/ your ME work. More bar speed = more weight pressed. It really helped me push thru my sticking points!
You may be using too much weight. I think that is a common mistake with speed work. Try less weight and see how it goes.
You bench raw, correct?
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I also agree with what Chris said about using too much weight. I see ALOT of people who think they need a bunch of weight for speed work when they don't. Who cares if there aren't alot of plates on the bar, you just need to keep that bar moving FAST.
I just recently seen a video that "Brian C" posted of him doing speed work against minis, and it was pretty damn fast. Check it out, http://www.wannabebig.com/forums/sho...Journal/page36. IMO, that's pretty much how speed work is done. I'm sure you can also find alot of videos in Travis's log of him doing some speed work.
.....Just my .02
You might be keeping the speed up, but still using too great of a load for you. Remember, the advent of the speed day was to address those who could not recover from two intense workouts by body part per week. Speed work serves multiple functions one of which is a form of active recovery from the heavy work of the ME day. So, even though your percents and speed seem to be in line, YOU might need to reduce the load a bit for it to work properly for you.
Honestly I think speed work helps to an extent earlier on, but just building up muscles at that stage is dang near as important imo. I try to also have a good amount of volume on my speed days. And things like floor pin press after my ME lift really help to give me progress on the bench.
We really don't stick to a set weight for all sets anymore, neither do we cycle in waves. Typically we change bar every week, and then either add weight or resistance as we go. We still focus on 3 reps 3 seconds though and if bar speed slows we usually shut it down.
Accessory work needs to be kept light on DE day. Everyone wants to go heavy on it all the time and you can't do that and still have it be a dynamic workout. DE day isn't about getting stronger, it's about getting faster and improving technique.
Volume is also key. Your total volume on DE day needs to be almost double what you do on ME day.
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Hey everyone just to give an update. Chris was 100% right. Just because the bar is moving fast doesn't mean that its the proper amount of weight. I lowered the straight weight and tension. There has definitely been a direct carryover to my ME work I am much faster off the chest. Here is a vid of my most recent DE session
Thanks for the advice everyone.
just noticing how you have your bands set up and im surprised that the DB doesnt move around at all. i always put a 2.5 lbs plate on both sides of the DB so its doesnt roll anywhere.
That speed is more like it. Great job. Most people are going too heavy and too slow. Even though they are moving the heavier weight semi-fast. But not fast enough.