Last edited by Blaine Masters; 03-27-2011 at 11:54 AM.
Misinformation, misuse, misunderstanding. Honestly, the barbell-only crowd is missing out on some real mass producing exercises. Even Poliquin says a good cable machine works more like redirected dumbells.
But MR himself says there bad.
For the same reason we say to build big arms you need to squat.
Trying to place the emphisis where it belongs by over-emphasising it.
there are good machines and bad
as you evolve as a lifter, you will come to recognize when they are advantageous whether its a smith, lever, cable, stack, plate loaded, etc
Idk. I incorporate machines after a lot of heavy compound work.
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Is there any machine that does something that can't be mimicked with free weights? I don't consider cable/pulley setups a "machine" either.
Like others have said, machines have a correct time and place for usage. The problem is that many trainees want to get way too complicated with too many machine exercises too early on. Basic free weight movements should be the cake for most people with machines being the icing on that cake. Too many people want an entire tub of icing with a only a crumb of cake.
Free weights allow both a more natural and superior range of motion; however, i wouldn't outright dismiss them.
I think Off Road summed it up pretty well. "For the same reason we say to build big arms you need to squat.
Trying to place the emphisis where it belongs by over-emphasising it."
Use them as a tool, they can be great later on when you want to build certain areas, however this is far down the road. SS is a FAB routine, you'll make great all round gains you don't need to worry about machines yet. This may help explain why the 'big' guys use them.
Yea, but since I don't have a cable crossover setup, I just do incline DB flys. Awesome stretch at the bottom.
I personally think machine weights have there place in a well planned routine, but I incorporate machine exercises just as an afterthought to heavy compound movements. Although I think some of the machine weights out there are pretty useless, just like some of the free weight exercises that I see people performing. Just build your routine around the big three and then get variety from other freeweight or machine exercises.