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    Question about machines

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    Misinformation, misuse, misunderstanding. Honestly, the barbell-only crowd is missing out on some real mass producing exercises. Even Poliquin says a good cable machine works more like redirected dumbells.
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    But MR himself says there bad.

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    For the same reason we say to build big arms you need to squat.
    Trying to place the emphisis where it belongs by over-emphasising it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Meat_Head View Post
    Misinformation, misuse, misunderstanding. Honestly, the barbell-only crowd is missing out on some real mass producing exercises. Even Poliquin says a good cable machine works more like redirected dumbells.
    And Poliquin has never said anything crazy.


    Theres nothing wrong with machines. They take less skill and follow a fixed path, with less freedom of movement. This can either be an advantage or a disadvantage.

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    there are good machines and bad

    as you evolve as a lifter, you will come to recognize when they are advantageous whether its a smith, lever, cable, stack, plate loaded, etc

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    Idk. I incorporate machines after a lot of heavy compound work.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Off Road View Post
    For the same reason we say to build big arms you need to squat.
    Trying to place the emphisis where it belongs by over-emphasising it.
    ROFL..I've never thought of it that way. Rippetoe has definitely mastered brainwashing.
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    Is there any machine that does something that can't be mimicked with free weights? I don't consider cable/pulley setups a "machine" either.

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    Like others have said, machines have a correct time and place for usage. The problem is that many trainees want to get way too complicated with too many machine exercises too early on. Basic free weight movements should be the cake for most people with machines being the icing on that cake. Too many people want an entire tub of icing with a only a crumb of cake.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SDS View Post
    I don't consider cable/pulley setups a "machine" either.
    cable/pulley is literally the definition of a simple machine.

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    Free weights allow both a more natural and superior range of motion; however, i wouldn't outright dismiss them.

    I think Off Road summed it up pretty well. "For the same reason we say to build big arms you need to squat.
    Trying to place the emphisis where it belongs by over-emphasising it."

    Use them as a tool, they can be great later on when you want to build certain areas, however this is far down the road. SS is a FAB routine, you'll make great all round gains you don't need to worry about machines yet. This may help explain why the 'big' guys use them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by f=ma View Post
    cable/pulley is literally the definition of a simple machine.
    LOL true. My train of thought there was that with the cable/pulley setup you're not locked into a fixed plane of motion like you are with a Smith, or one of those chest press contraptions. I guess I probably shouldn't be giving opinions on them cause I only use barbells and dumbbells.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SDS View Post
    LOL true. My train of thought there was that with the cable/pulley setup you're not locked into a fixed plane of motion like you are with a Smith, or one of those chest press contraptions. I guess I probably shouldn't be giving opinions on them cause I only use barbells and dumbbells.
    Try 3 or 4 sets of cable crossovers after bench presses. Treat them seriously, find a good ROM and groove for you body and work them hard. Your chest will only grow more! Depends on your goals as to whether or not this is necessary. You don't have to use cables or machines, especially if your focus is strength. But for certain body parts (a lot of lifters have trouble hitting: pecs, lats, lateral deltoids, depends on your build) a good machine can work wonders.
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    Yea, but since I don't have a cable crossover setup, I just do incline DB flys. Awesome stretch at the bottom.

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    I personally think machine weights have there place in a well planned routine, but I incorporate machine exercises just as an afterthought to heavy compound movements. Although I think some of the machine weights out there are pretty useless, just like some of the free weight exercises that I see people performing. Just build your routine around the big three and then get variety from other freeweight or machine exercises.

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