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The Five Biggest Contradictions in Fitness

Itís no secret that when people contradict themselves, it has the effect of making the flaws in their actions or statements seem glaringly obvious. But what about when WE ourselves get caught contradicting ourselves by someone else?

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    Are DB (kroc) rows really that good?

    Ive always seen people praise this exercise. Is it really that good? Or is it just because Kroc is a beast, so people just do it to emulate him?

    Also, my gym's dbs only go up to 125lbs. Right now I can probably do 100x10. Is there enough room for progression there?

    And lastly. In building up my back, do they really offer something that clean and press, pullups, and seated cable rows cant?

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    They are definitely a very solid choice and along with pull ups are probably the best bang for the buck. When you can do 125lbs. for 25 or 30 then you need some heavier DB's. So you have a ton of room. They also help your grip a lot.

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    I think they could be used effectively, but I switched to dumbbell rows with strict form and a little less weight and saw more growth.
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    I have done them a few times and I like them. From my understanding you are suppose to do as many reps with the heaviest weight you can handle. So if you can do 100x10 fairly easy then I would try for more reps.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lones Green View Post
    I think they could be used effectively, but I switched to dumbbell rows with strict form and a little less weight and saw more growth.
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    They work great for building upperback and grip I found.

    Sounds like you don't have enough weight though. I had this problem once I got to the 170lbs dbs.
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    Kroc was a great powerlifter, but Kroc rows are a bull****/show-off-for-the-video-cameras exercise to me.

    Heavy (6-8 reps) DB rows without straps has help build my grip strength immensely over the past few years.

    When powerlifting, I think pulldowns, chest-supported rows, DB rows and 1-arm Hammer Strength rows are the best exercises.

    Any exercise I just started doing is 1-arm BB rows. Anchor a barbell in a corner, grab the thick end of the barbell and do 1-arm rows.

    Great alternative to DB rows and it kills the grip!
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    I would treat Kroc rows as an 'overload' movement rather than a cornerstone of your program; just like lockout work for bench press. You can handle more weight but to optimize overall strength/muscle gains it would be beneficial to also mix in some rows with more controlled form.

    As others have mentioned, most people typically do 'Kroc Rows' in the 20-25 rep range.
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    I love 'Kroc rows' for sake of change. However, I discovered an alternative called "DB Deadstops". It's the same movement but letting the DB fully stop at the ground after each rep. I would see that being more beneficial for mass considering the more ROM.

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