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The Five Biggest Contradictions in Fitness

Itís no secret that when people contradict themselves, it has the effect of making the flaws in their actions or statements seem glaringly obvious. But what about when WE ourselves get caught contradicting ourselves by someone else?

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    Sleep

    I was wondering?.........checked with some local guys in the gym... seems everyone over a certain weight seems to suffer every now and then from a good night of sleep..........I know there is sleep apena?...which the doctors say is dependant largely on the size of one's neck......however I was curious if just general sleep deprivation is a consistent issue alot of guys on here suffer from?..........
    I've tried the 'Camel Hump' pillow to brace my neck..........been using 5-HTP. GABA, L-Tryptophan, & Valerian Root Extract.... all of which leads me to fall out like a dead tranquilized horse.......yet just like a nagging wife .......I wake up often in 2-3 hrs.. and that pattern continues most of the night..........anyone else having similiar sleep issues?

    Oh yea... I am 6ft1 and weigh about 270 lbs.... and I have made sure I don't eat for around 2hrs before jumping in bed.

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    im only like 5'11" and 220lbs but ZMA helped me a lot. I have trouble falling asleep but once I am out, I am good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by barryisawinnah View Post
    im only like 5'11" and 220lbs but ZMA helped me a lot. I have trouble falling asleep but once I am out, I am good.
    This is typically me at times unless I'm just absolutely exhausted. At 6'1 and 340, I don't have any sleep problems as of yet. I moan in my sleep at times, but never have trouble breathing related to weight, cold/sinuses during the winter and spring, of course a different story. I usually take Animal PM or ETS before sleeping on nights where I feel I'm going to have trouble falling asleep, and usually sleep like a rock for at least 7 hours, wake up feeling awesome.
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    I took GABA once... woke up in the middle of the night to go piss... and couldnt move my legs....literally rolled out of bed and could only kneel on my floor. ... needless to say i didnt make it out of my bedroom... fortunately had an empty protein bucket next to my bed.....
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    I'm only 6' 1" 180ish. I had trouble falling asleep until I started taking 3 mg of melatonin at bedtime. It works like a charm.
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    Go for a sleep study!


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    Quote Originally Posted by CosmicForce View Post
    I'm only 6' 1" 180ish. I had trouble falling asleep until I started taking 3 mg of melatonin at bedtime. It works like a charm.
    I can vouch for this. I used to have a lot of troube falling asleep. Started taking about 2mg of melatonin for about a week to get my schedule back on track and it worked perfect. I'd hit the pillow, and wake up at 7am. Only used it for about a week but it definitely worked
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    Melatonin seems to leave me unrested in the morning. ZMA works wonders, but sometimes I have really bad nightmares when I take it for some reason.
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    I'm 5'8" and 260 and have no problems

    When I was 270ish though I did. Sometimes a small difference can make a big impact on your sleep.

    Might be allergies as well. When my allergies get super bad and I can't breathe sleep pretty much goes out the window


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    Quote Originally Posted by IronDiggy View Post
    Melatonin seems to leave me unrested in the morning. ZMA works wonders, but sometimes I have really bad nightmares when I take it for some reason.
    I have some weird ass dreams with ZMA, not really nightmares, just weird shit,

    I used melatonin a few times and unless I could get like 11 hours of sleep, I always woke up super groggy.
    Last edited by barryisawinnah; 05-31-2011 at 02:26 PM.

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    I've had issues sleeping most of my life, so I can't really attribute it to the lifting or size since the issues are similar regardless of size. The only thing that has really helped me go to sleep in the past was melatonin and even then it didn't knock me out right away or anything, just made me a little sleepy. ZMA has never had any impact whatsoever on my ability to sleep or stay asleep. GABA also didn't seem to have much effect. My snoring was worse at 290 than it is now at 240 (at least that's what my wife says).
    I did have a sleep study done when I was bigger (in the 280's probably) and didn't have any sleep apnea, just some moderate snoring. If you are having persistent issues, I would also recommend a sleep study. If for no other reason than to rule out sleep apnea, which can have some very serious health effects.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IronDiggy View Post
    Melatonin seems to leave me unrested in the morning. ZMA works wonders, but sometimes I have really bad nightmares when I take it for some reason.
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    I've only had the crazy dreams when I took ETS with 1g of vitamin C before bed.


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    Thanks!

    Wow.....lots of good information!. Thank you guys very much!.... I actually did speak with my regular physican...... he set me up for a sleep study...so hopefully I'll see.... funny this sleep issue just came on me about 1 yr ago......I'm trying a few things like reducing or stopping pre-work out energizer supplements ......not taking anything like that after 4 pm........plus not sipping any more diet coke after 12 noon..........bodyweight has remained about the same though over the past year.....can't place my finger on one thing that has changed.........

    It didn't come on me until I started reading the blogs on this site!....I now have determined it's my mind beating my weak soul up every night!!......you guys quit posting all the incredible weight you're doing...it's killing my sleep..........knowing I am weak as a newborn.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vdizenzo View Post
    Go for a sleep study!

    Sleep apnea (OSA) is serious and often overlooked.

    The Epworth Sleepiness Scale can give you a general idea if Sleep Apnea is the root of you not getting a good night's sleep.

    http://www.stanford.edu/~dement/epworth.html

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    I sometimes would have sleep problems with my old multivitamin/mineral. Its like it would make me restless at night and keep waking me up if taken in the evening, almost like I didn't need as much sleep, which is a big problem when sometimes I only get 4-5 hours of sleep. Switched my multi and haven't had any problems so far, will see if the new one effects me at all, mostly been taking it in the day or morning so far. I can't have too thick of a pillow or no pillow if I am sleeping on my back, pushes my head too far up and closes off the airway, I'm not huge, only 210 currently at 5' 8" but used to be 230 and never had huge problems or anything with sleep.

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    At 330# and 6'5" I'm not all that fat... but plenty big.

    ZMA helps me get quality sleep and boosts the immune system.... the dreams are cool too when you first get on it.

    I'm pretty sensitive to stimulants so no caffeine after 1 or 2 pm

    I had a lot of problems waking up numb and sore for years... my wife and I spent some dough on a Sealy memory foam mattress 3 years ago and that's made the biggest change for me. I can sleep on my side and not have my arm go numb.... it's awesome.
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    Being 6'3"-6'4" and 375 I believe i should go to a sleep study after reading this. I do have issues sleeping sometimes so, thanks for posting this thread...it really makes me want to check some of these things out. I'm going to have to try that Sealy mattress as well! lol I often wake up with my arm asleep.
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    Arm Asleep

    I used to suffer the awakening with fingers tingling, numb as if I had smacked my funny bone in the arm.....however after some trips to the chiropractor, he talked to me about pillows..... interestingly he showed that for example if I sleep on my side, and my head isn't elevated up enough such that my chin is positioned so that it's in the center of my chest, what was happening was my head tilting downwards was compressing nerves in the neck which then resulted in the arm asleep or finger tingling....he showed me that really all one requires is a round pillow such that the concave portion of the neck is supported....he showed me how experimenting with rolling up a towel to fit that concave area works nicely for support of the neck when sleeping on the back , although it does require some getting used too.
    I finally got one of those 'hump' pillows...for when I lay flat on my back.......and now I ensure I have my head elevated when side sleeping so that it does not tilt downwards ( just make sure your chin is centered in the middle of your chest and you then know you have the elevation right for side sleeping).............the tingling and arm asleep have left.... pretty neat I thought.. give it a try.....experiment with pillows.

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    Im 6'4 306 but 8 weeks ago i was 335 and i suffer from terrible sleep habits. Now i take 6-9mg of Melatonin 90min b4 bed and it usually keeps me out for 6-7hrs

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