It really depends on what you mean by Crossfit. Do you mean following the mainsite WODs? Or adding metabolic conditioning to your programming?
There are several good articles on programming and also some really good affiliates that incorporate different goals (strength, endurance, gymnastics, etc...). Depending on your goals and programming it can be really good, just depends.
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Here is one Crossfit gym that implements a lot of Westside powerlifting principles into their programming:
These workouts could be good for someone who enjoys the metabolic work but also wants to increase or maintain strength.
CrossFit is a great way to train to get into incredible shape. I'm curious why you created this thread in this forum?
Because crossfit is a metabolic conditioning program that incorporates strength, olympic, and competitive training. I figured here or general chat.
I don't think following the mainsite WOD is a good way to train. However I do check the site daily just to see what they're doing, and if the workout seems cool I'll throw it in at some point during the week. I mainly just like their methods and overall mindset.
I'm currently doing a strength/crossfit type regimen. That's a great post tom. I think that type of training can create some crazy athletes.
Some of the principles behind it are great. The application, not so great. It more of a success at marketing rather than training.
Probably my biggest pet peeves of the 'religion' are kipping pullups, and olympic lifting with full ROM for EVERYONE.
I don't like their excessive use of oly lifting for cardio, when it is an explosive lift and needs to really be trained the proper way. Also I don't think they have as big a focus on strength as they should, but overall you can get in good shape, just be careful. And you really could do better adapting similar principles into your training, and keep in mind, they didn't come up with most of the stuff that they based their training on.
Bako, I figured. I'll leave it here, but you would probably get more action in general chat. This forum is really pretty much for strength specific training which CrossFit is not. Oh, and I know a LOT about CrossFit as I write for their journal, work at Louie's CrossFit certs for strength training, and sponsor the Games etc.
As for the Kipling pullups, they are just stupid and dangerous. I'm waiting for the day when I see one of them bust their teeth out on the bar.
I don't have anything against cross fit type workouts, they certainly kick my ass, but I think it's a lot, A LOT of marketing hype, but...they're good at marketing and getting people in, and people who stick with it certainly do make good progress. I'm like Dan, it seems like when you get away from the traditional strict teachings of crossfit, all you have is a group of people throwing, literally, weight around and just seem to be injury prone, it's about the instructors in that sense though. I guess it's a thin line sort of...I like some of their workouts on conditioning days, but will hold strong to my strength related workouts.
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I think it's this years P90X if you ask me.
I could see them making everybody leave the crossfit section during a paid session, but that's lame if you can't use the equipment in the mean time. Like at my old gym, nobody could play basketball on indoor court during spin classes, but as soon as they were done the court was open again.
I once trained at a Oly-lifting academy that had a big strongman and Crossfit contingent. I didn't know much about Crossfit and while I was squatting, someone asked me "If I wanted to do Fran".
It was only 10 minutes later after searching for this hopefully attractive Fran, that I realized what he was talking about.
Quite disappointed that day lol.
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Maybe I'm too much a fan of the SAID principle, but... if you want to get stronger, lift heavy. You want to get faster, run. You want to be better at a specific sport movement, practice that movement. Use crossfit to, well, get better at crossfit.
Sure, it's a decent method of training everything at once, but there are better ways to do it. Now bear in mind, I'm talking about crossfit specifically, not just GPP. Once any training style becomes a religion, it's lost me.
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ATG squats does not always equal an oly squat. A powerlifting style squat done ATG will have FAR more ROM than and olympic squat not to mention much less of an elastic bounce from the hole. Low box squats dominate them both. Those are tools that are unforgivable to leave out of a program.
There have been plenty of arguments against using power cleans in training so consistantly. In my own personal endeavors, I have found crossfit to severely inhibit recovery with the deadlift.
Kipping pullups are also silly when those are the only type you do.
That being said, I love doing crossfit workouts for short periods of time(6 weeks) then switching to steady state cardio for a while. The conditioning is great. I just dont think its as sustainable as the initial impression I recieve from reading their forums. I would never do it exclusively.
ATG does = ass to grass.
Question for Tom or whoever...
I went to that site. Really cool site. I could still train the way I have been and add in some "metcons" 2-3 times a week... How bad do you think metcons would screw with recovery using a 4x a week Juggernaut Template?
I'm guessing the easiest way is to throw one into my training and find out
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I prefer the EDT system, because its easier to tie back to the SAID principle, and can be easily modified for just about any goals.
Probably my biggest beef with CF (besides claiming that training as a generalist makes you 'elite') is their methods of exercise selection. Exercise selection is arguably the most important factor of training, and they completely miss the boat here. Im tired of seeing everyone in the gym work toward kipping pullups for weeks/months, whe they could just progress toward real pullups. And then everyone is trying to do full ROM squats and olympic lifting, when they dont have the structure, experience, or coaching to do so.
Its just a recipe for disaster.
And then theres the cult / religion aspect to it of which I agree 100% with you.
But I think you could take some of CF's principles and methods and apply those in a SMART manner to have some damn good programming.