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The Five Biggest Contradictions in Fitness

Its no secret that when people contradict themselves, it has the effect of making the flaws in their actions or statements seem glaringly obvious. But what about when WE ourselves get caught contradicting ourselves by someone else?

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    Losing 40 Pound

    How long would it take to lose 40 Pounds in a Healthy way(Not to gain back the pound again).

    im 5.11 200 on the dot.

    My goal is too weight 160.

    I heard 2 pound per week is ideal, so that would mean 5 Months.

    I will be Running on tread mill to lose those pounds with a clean diet, Turkey,Salmon, Clean carbs and fish oil...


    What is the Total Calories and Duration i should be running on the Treadmill , 800 Cals Per Cardio Session and how Many Cardio session should i be doing Per week???

    Thank you
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigMatt View Post
    How long would it take to lose 40 Pounds in a Healthy way(Not to gain back the pound again).

    im 5.11 200 on the dot.

    My goal is too weight 160.

    I heard 2 pound per week is ideal, so that would mean 5 Months.

    I will be Running on tread mill to lose those pounds with a clean diet, Turkey,Salmon, Clean carbs and fish oil...


    What is the Total Calories and Duration i should be running on the Treadmill , 800 Cals Per Cardio Session and how Many Cardio session should i be doing Per week???

    Thank you
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    Cardio 6-7 days a week. You're not going to use resistance training??? there's so many options. but you need resistance training with your cardio and healthy diet.
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    3/23/10 193lbs
    7/17/10 160lbs

    Probably should have gone slower, but didn't know any better. Sort of neat to have six-pack for first time though. Motivated me to never be that small again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigMatt View Post
    How long would it take to lose 40 Pounds in a Healthy way(Not to gain back the pound again).

    im 5.11 200 on the dot.

    My goal is too weight 160.

    I heard 2 pound per week is ideal, so that would mean 5 Months.

    I will be Running on tread mill to lose those pounds with a clean diet, Turkey,Salmon, Clean carbs and fish oil...


    What is the Total Calories and Duration i should be running on the Treadmill , 800 Cals Per Cardio Session and how Many Cardio session should i be doing Per week???

    Thank you
    Why do you want to know? I would just focus on losing weight in a way that doesnt drive you to points of insanity. Eat less than you need, move a little more, and get stronger on a program. See how well you do. There are no dirty or clean carbs or clean diets. Thermodynamics is what you should worry about for now.
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    Thanks guys, ITS STARTING TONIGHT.

    1 HOUR OF CARDIO AT 125 HEART MAX RATE

    750 Calories is the Goal. Time to get ripped
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    Quote Originally Posted by RichMcGuire View Post
    Why do you want to know? I would just focus on losing weight in a way that doesnt drive you to points of insanity. Eat less than you need, move a little more, and get stronger on a program. See how well you do. There are no dirty or clean carbs or clean diets. Thermodynamics is what you should worry about for now.
    Sure.....

    Go ahead Eat your Donuts and Candy Bars for your carb source...

    I stick to Yams and Brown rice.... But hey! Theres no difference eh?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigMatt View Post
    Thanks guys, ITS STARTING TONIGHT.

    1 HOUR OF CARDIO AT 125 HEART MAX RATE

    750 Calories is the Goal. Time to get ripped
    Thats atleast 2 hours hahaha

    2 pounds a week is fine if you can maintain that rate. In reality, you might hit some plateaus along the way. Just stick with it!
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    At 5'11" and 160# you will no longer be "BigMatt"
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigMatt View Post
    Sure.....

    Go ahead Eat your Donuts and Candy Bars for your carb source...

    I stick to Yams and Brown rice.... But hey! Theres no difference eh?
    If you're eating "dirty" carbs, you could try washing them and letting them dry over night. They'd come out pretty clean that way.

    If I can fit a doughnut into my macro's for the day, I would. I like doughnuts. You're not going to gain weight if you are taking in less than you need..even if you eat a candybar..unless you're an exception to thermodynamics.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BG5150 View Post
    At 5'11" and 160# you will no longer be "BigMatt"
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    First let me say above all, for losing body fat, Rich is right. Until your under ~10% bf, its all calories in vs calories burned. It doesn't matter what you eat or what exercise you do to burn calories. However, I urge you to focus on resistance training and keep protein high. If your serious about changing your body, you can read on about my experiences/advice, or skip down past the asterisks for the bottom line...

    As someone who was in your situation(worse, even) I have a lot of opinions on this issue, so don't be offended by anything I say as its just my opinion. I will say, however, that I tried dieting and cardio and all that shit numerous times over a few years before I listened to people on here and other reputable opinions and got in shape.

    A little about me - I'm 6'1" and weighed 280 lbs at one point about 2 years ago. I dropped to 210 lbs in about 6 months while gaining a significant amount of muscle. Since then I have been steadily increasing in strength and currently sit around 225. I'm not super cut, or lean or whatever, but I am strong and healthy looking. No one would look at me and say I'm fat, and 4 or 5 weeks of dieting and I could have visible abs and vascularity if that was my desire.

    A good point my weight brings up is that weight is completely relative. Appearance wise, its the MIRROR that matters. I am a BIG framed guy, I was 180 and wore 34" size pants in high school when I was running track and playing soccer, so probably 10%-12% body fat and I wasn't that muscular. Appearance is about body fat percentage not weight. Many people your height are 200+ and as 'toned' or defined as any 160lbs person.

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    So now for the good part: Assuming your a beginner to weightlifting, you can expect to lose a considerable amount of body fat and add a good amount of muscle in a pretty short time with just 2 simple steps:

    Starting Strength + Eat 500-1000 cal under maintenance with at least 1g of protein per lb of lean body weight.

    That's it.

    Some thoughts on Diet:

    The key is finding out what caloric deficit allows you to loose a few lbs of body fat per week while continuously going up in your Starting Strength progression. For me it was probably a 500-700ish calorie deficit. As has been said, in the end its just calories in vs calories burned, however, heavy lifting and good carb/fat/protein ratios will let you end up a strong healthy looking person instead of a 'skinnyfat' person with no muscle and loose skin. I ate around 50% protein, 30% fat, 20% carbs throughout my cut. Its also important both mentally and physiologically to have a cheat day every 5-7 days. In addition to keeping you sane it keeps your metabolism from completely shutting down. Some people just eat normally but I would STUFF MY FACE retarded, it never hurt my weight loss and made it tolerable to diet for so long. I would always make my cheat day the 24 hrs after an especially brutal work out to get some extra protein and recovery for my undernourished muscles. I'm no diet expert, you can find plenty of specifics on good diet here on the Diet and Nutrition section.

    Some thoughts on training:

    First and foremost: I hate cardio. I will never do cardio. I didn't do any more cardio during my cut than I did when I was fat. By cardio I mean anything designed only to elevate heart rate in any number of boring, inane ways.

    That said, I love sports, and I play rugby, fight (kung fu, some MMA), swim, and generally rough house a lot. But I did all this when I was 280lbs also, and it never helped, even when I would diet. The ONLY thing that made a change in my body was LIFTING HEAVY SHIT. When I first starting I would begin and end my workouts with cardio. It made me hate working out. As soon as I quit doing it, I started enjoying my time at the gym and that is what made ALL the difference in the world. I will squat, bench and deadlift till I collapse on the floor, and love every second of it, but I just cant do cardio.

    Starting Strength in my opinion is the most effective and efficient training program for a beginner to drastically your body. I'm not going to go in to the specifics, you can find plenty of people who support it here, and all the information you could ever need here: http://startingstrength.wikia.com/wi..._Strength_Wiki

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    I know this was a massive post but I was bored and haven't ever really told my story before and hope it will help. Other than eating right and lifting your ass off the most important thing I can say is find what makes dieting and working out effectively enjoyable for you. Watching my body fat drop and my strength and muscles grow was probably the biggest motivator during my entire process. That and the envy and compliments I got from friends and family were HUGE. In the end I found that strength training was no longer a tool to lose weight but my new and most enjoyable hobby.Its not a one time "I need to get in shape" anymore, its a way of life.

    Good luck to you in whatever you do. I hope you accomplish all of your goals and enjoy your new lifestyle!

    A quick before and after, probably 265 in the first and 215 in the second, not my fattest or leanest imo but all I have.

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    For body recomposition resistance training is the ONLY way. You can augment it with some cardio, but if you just do cardio you will end up "skinny fat" and looking like crap.


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    I'm still new to this site, but I went from 5'11 284 ~40% BF to 5'11 211 <15% BF last year, oh and I'm old compared to most on this site. It took me about 8 months and at the end, I still thought I lost too much too fast. Listen to these guys; lift heavy and pay attention to the 1st law of thermodynamics: energy out > energy in = trimmer you. Also, trust me (prepping for a 1/2 marathon right now and I'm lovin it) nobody wants to START by doing an hour on the dreadmill. That is a path to failure. Get somebody to help you select a good program, set realistic goals, ignore the scale, watch your belt, look at the mirror, take progress pictures, and go slow. Good luck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chris mason View Post
    For body recomposition resistance training is the ONLY way. You can augment it with some cardio, but if you just do cardio you will end up "skinny fat" and looking like crap.
    x2. I wouldn't even touch the cardio until you have a handle on how you're body is losing while on a restricted calorie diet while weight training.
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