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The Five Biggest Contradictions in Fitness

Itís no secret that when people contradict themselves, it has the effect of making the flaws in their actions or statements seem glaringly obvious. But what about when WE ourselves get caught contradicting ourselves by someone else?

By: Nick Tumminello Added: January 6th, 2014
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    deadlift/row/shrug

    I noticed lately that people like to use every muscle from head to toe to "row" a barbell. Is this common at your gym?

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    Like while deadlifting, they shrug?

    I just laugh and continue on lifting like a man.
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    no, when folks "row" a barbell with 6" ROM

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    I vote you need to take a video of said shenanigans. I almost want to start a thread in the video forum that highlights people from our gyms (if you lift at a public gym) who just make you want to SMH.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thecityalive View Post
    SMH.
    Am I just getting old how come I never know what acronyms mean ha. But its common practice at my gym to turn a t bar row into an upright row/shrug.
    ďThe worst thing I can be is the same as everybody else."

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    Shake my head. Sorry.
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    Quote Originally Posted by geordie1986 View Post
    Am I just getting old how come I never know what acronyms mean ha. But its common practice at my gym to turn a t bar row into an upright row/shrug.
    I thought the same and googled it.

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    On the topic of acronyms, what does SFW stand for? I've seen it used mainly by powerlifters in the journal section.

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    smash fucking weights - Vincent Dizenzo
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    Bench: 255 (9/30/13)
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    Quote Originally Posted by thecityalive View Post
    smash fucking weights - Vincent Dizenzo
    http://www.urbandictionary.com/defin...&defid=1894479

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    Thanks guys.

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    SFW is one of my favourite acronyms lol

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    im strictly a rows guy

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    if u do tooo back youll look like a fridge

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    I find it more comical when guys without backs tell me my barbell rows aren't strict enough or I'm too upright.

    I frequently row like this and 100% consider my barbell rows to have been the most valuable exercise for back growth over the years. Thinking your body needs to be near parallel to the floor or a little extra jerk on heavy sets is unacceptable is just wrong.
    http://www.youtube.com/user/AtLargeN.../0/L9duznC1IZQ

    In contrast to people thinking rows should only look like this...
    http://www.exrx.net/WeightExercises/...ntOverRow.html
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    bam, problem solved. I prefer doing parallel to the floor, as much as I can, I still keep my back arched, like Yates says in that video, but I'm parallel to the floor, I feel hit my back well when I do it that way. Not to mention, its basic physics, if your arch (aka form) is the same, and the only thing that changes is your angle to the floor, the force required to move the weight will be sine(angle)=weight/(torso_length) [where angle=torso/leg angle]...sine of 90 degrees you need your force to equal 100% of the weight while if you're at a 45 degree angle you only require about 71% of the force to move the same amount of weight, thus you can move more weight but there isn't much difference, it just looks impressive. Naturally if you're lower back can't support the weight an inclined angle is better to keep the stress off your lower back. Moral of this story? Everyone is right hooray!
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    I tried those Dorian Yates Rows yesterday for the 1st time (thanks Rory) and, whilst I'm not lifting anywhere near as much as some of you guys, I felt it today (in a good way)
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    Quote Originally Posted by dynamo View Post


    bam, problem solved. I prefer doing parallel to the floor, as much as I can, I still keep my back arched, like Yates says in that video, but I'm parallel to the floor, I feel hit my back well when I do it that way. Not to mention, its basic physics, if your arch (aka form) is the same, and the only thing that changes is your angle to the floor, the force required to move the weight will be sine(angle)=weight/(torso_length) [where angle=torso/leg angle]...sine of 90 degrees you need your force to equal 100% of the weight while if you're at a 45 degree angle you only require about 71% of the force to move the same amount of weight, thus you can move more weight but there isn't much difference, it just looks impressive. Naturally if you're lower back can't support the weight an inclined angle is better to keep the stress off your lower back. Moral of this story? Everyone is right hooray!
    However the weight is only traveling in the Y direction regardless of body angle. And since g is constant it still takes the same amount of net force to move the weight in the Y direction. Angle simply distributes it differently.
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    I haven't done "parallel" type rows in years. Too much stress on the hamstrings and lower back to really focus on grushing my upper back. I'm sure my ROM is greater than 6", but not a lot, and my lats are absolutely crushed afterwards.
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    Seems like as long as the majority of the movement involves the barbell actually being raised up to your chest instead of the chest quickly dipping down, you'll get the benefit of the movement. I do see quite a few people that look like they just quickly pull themselves down to the bar then stand up again while the weight stays in about a 1-2" inch ROM.
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    nice back bro, cut tooo

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    Quote Originally Posted by jtteg_x View Post
    I noticed lately that people like to use every muscle from head to toe to "row" a barbell. Is this common at your gym?
    On heavier sets I'll use a little body english, but I'm not jumping up or throwing my chest towards the bar or anything like that. Same with rows and any other movement on heavier sets. Being strict only goes so far, until you get to the point where if you add a little body english, you can get more out of the movement, go longer, heavier, there's nothing wrong with that at all.
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