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The Five Biggest Contradictions in Fitness

Itís no secret that when people contradict themselves, it has the effect of making the flaws in their actions or statements seem glaringly obvious. But what about when WE ourselves get caught contradicting ourselves by someone else?

By: Nick Tumminello Added: January 6th, 2014
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    Live fast, die young. F40's Avatar
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    Deadlifts: Grip Failure B4 Legs/back

    Guys - my subject line says it all.

    I've got a lot more left to give in my hams and lower back when I'm reaching the end of my sets, but I can't bloody hold the bar anymore.

    Straps don't work and yes I do use an alternate grip.

    Any thoughts on getting 'round this?
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    Just do more sets, you don't need to be taking your DL's to failure.

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    You need to start training your forearms directly. They are plently of threads on this topic, just search for it.

    f'n typos
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    I've thought about weighted negative chins for training my forearms.....heard they can really work.

    I tend to rest pause - get my grip back and lift again - I carry on like this until I've done the target number of reps - is this OK - ica nspend up to 30secs letting my grip recover between deadlift reps.....
    Marshall/Miller - Yesterday did because of this problem I did 2 rep "sets" of deads....... Silly?
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    Try wrist curls, reverse wirst curls(my fav) and framers walk. That will build up your forearms.

    lower the weight so you can do more then 2 reps, try to get about 6 before you start to fail.

    Also try holding the bar differently. Like for your warm up sets use a regualr hold, then for your working sets you an alternate grip, and switch hands after each set.

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    I have the exact same problem. I can do more on my lifts than I can hold with my forearms. Funny thing is, I was told by people here to not work my forearms directly and use deadlifts as a way to increase their mass. So I guess i will just do more reps and hope that my forearms get stronger.

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    How is it that straps don't work for you? Are you sure you're putting them on right?
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    No - 2 rep sets is fine IMO - just do a bunch. Ask the powerlifters or PowerMan about this stuff too.

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    I had the same problem a few months ago, where I'd drop the bar before really even feeling it in my legs or back. Started doing static holds and I can tell a world of difference, my grip hardly ever goes out first now.

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    Bloody straps - towards the end of my set, I don't even have the energy left in my forearms to grip the strap to stop the bar rolling out.

    On my lighter sets where grip gives out after legs/back, on my last rep I just stand there and hold the bar for a long as possible.... will this work?
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    I believe chalk is your problem solver. If not, and it's really that bad of a problem...go for some hooks. But make sure you're still working your forearms outside of this so they'll eventually catch up.
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    I never had a problem like this, because I always do deadlift holds at the end of my dl workout. It really helps your forearms out.
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    I have found improved grip already just doing static holds/hangs.

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    Chalk+grip work=ace!!


    I train my deadlifts in singles and feel it is the best way to train the lift anyway.
    Best Meet Lifts(Raw w/wraps):
    @165- 435 SQ 270 BE 560 DL.....1255 total
    @181- 535 SQ 300 BE 570 DL.....1400 total
    Best Meet Lifts(Multi-ply):
    @148- 575 SQ 315 BE 515 DL.....1400 total
    @165- 680 SQ 380 BE 540 DL.....1555 total
    @181- 700 SQ 375 BE 535 DL.....1605 total
    Best Gym Lifts(Raw w/wraps)
    545 SQ 305 BE 585 DL

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    Farmers Walk!

    Gotta love it. Simple, useful, primal, good for you.
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    Originally posted by Jane
    Farmers Walk!

    Gotta love it. Simple, useful, primal, good for you.

    Best Meet Lifts(Raw w/wraps):
    @165- 435 SQ 270 BE 560 DL.....1255 total
    @181- 535 SQ 300 BE 570 DL.....1400 total
    Best Meet Lifts(Multi-ply):
    @148- 575 SQ 315 BE 515 DL.....1400 total
    @165- 680 SQ 380 BE 540 DL.....1555 total
    @181- 700 SQ 375 BE 535 DL.....1605 total
    Best Gym Lifts(Raw w/wraps)
    545 SQ 305 BE 585 DL

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    Chalk, sorted a lot of my problems, and not just on Deadlifts.

    Think the other guys in the gym are getting p*ssed off with chalk onall the plates and bars though!!

    On the subject of grip, what do most people use when doing dealifts?? I just do an over hand grip, ie palms facing back.

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    For grip use chalk, do static holds with barbell after your done deads.
    Kayak i use over under (right hand over left undre)
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    Bench...- 303..........................Bench....- 300....Paused in meet - 281
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    Gaglione Strength Chris Rodgers's Avatar
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    Right over/ left under
    Best Meet Lifts(Raw w/wraps):
    @165- 435 SQ 270 BE 560 DL.....1255 total
    @181- 535 SQ 300 BE 570 DL.....1400 total
    Best Meet Lifts(Multi-ply):
    @148- 575 SQ 315 BE 515 DL.....1400 total
    @165- 680 SQ 380 BE 540 DL.....1555 total
    @181- 700 SQ 375 BE 535 DL.....1605 total
    Best Gym Lifts(Raw w/wraps)
    545 SQ 305 BE 585 DL

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    Why's that Latman??

    And do you ever swap the grip, say left over, right under??

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    Why do I use a mixed grip? Or why do I choose right over/left under?

    I am just more comfortable with my right hand over.

    The difference of what I can hold for say 5 seconds or so of overhand VS. Mixed grip is huge!! It's like 315 to 515+ or something. So I use the mixed gip for obvious reasons.
    Best Meet Lifts(Raw w/wraps):
    @165- 435 SQ 270 BE 560 DL.....1255 total
    @181- 535 SQ 300 BE 570 DL.....1400 total
    Best Meet Lifts(Multi-ply):
    @148- 575 SQ 315 BE 515 DL.....1400 total
    @165- 680 SQ 380 BE 540 DL.....1555 total
    @181- 700 SQ 375 BE 535 DL.....1605 total
    Best Gym Lifts(Raw w/wraps)
    545 SQ 305 BE 585 DL

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    Well why do you mix your grip??

    And, if you continue to grip one way all the time do that not produce is a bias in your lift?? that maybe the right side will develop more for example??

    And do you really soo those sort of differences in the weight you can lift using different grips??

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    Yes there is a huge difference and if it did cause any imbalance the only thing I'd be worried about would be if it caused a strength imbalance. I don't care if one arm or one trap is slightly bigger than the other.


    And the numbers I wrote are accurate. I can't even lift much more than 315 if I just use a double-overhand grip. I have gone up as high as 515 with a mixed grip on static holds and also done a deadlift with Farmer's walk implements that added up to 515, so having both hands forward definitely puts your grip in a weaker position.
    Best Meet Lifts(Raw w/wraps):
    @165- 435 SQ 270 BE 560 DL.....1255 total
    @181- 535 SQ 300 BE 570 DL.....1400 total
    Best Meet Lifts(Multi-ply):
    @148- 575 SQ 315 BE 515 DL.....1400 total
    @165- 680 SQ 380 BE 540 DL.....1555 total
    @181- 700 SQ 375 BE 535 DL.....1605 total
    Best Gym Lifts(Raw w/wraps)
    545 SQ 305 BE 585 DL

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    But would that not mean that if there is a size imbalance that there would be a strenght imbalance.

    Also, would overhand not help delevelop better forearm and grip strength??

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    I sometimes perform overhand static holds to work my grip.


    I am a powerlifter. If I were to do a meet and deadlift overhand, I would pull like 315-335. Now, in 17 days when I go to my meet I plan on pulling over 450 lbs with a mixed grip.Which would you choose?
    Best Meet Lifts(Raw w/wraps):
    @165- 435 SQ 270 BE 560 DL.....1255 total
    @181- 535 SQ 300 BE 570 DL.....1400 total
    Best Meet Lifts(Multi-ply):
    @148- 575 SQ 315 BE 515 DL.....1400 total
    @165- 680 SQ 380 BE 540 DL.....1555 total
    @181- 700 SQ 375 BE 535 DL.....1605 total
    Best Gym Lifts(Raw w/wraps)
    545 SQ 305 BE 585 DL

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