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The Five Biggest Contradictions in Fitness

It’s no secret that when people contradict themselves, it has the effect of making the flaws in their actions or statements seem glaringly obvious. But what about when WE ourselves get caught contradicting ourselves by someone else?

By: Nick Tumminello Added: January 6th, 2014
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alex.V View Post
    Still hot as shit. This weather needs to break. ASAP.
    Agree with this... seriously, when has it ever been hotter in NC than in TX?

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    PA is pretty lousy right now, can't imagine how further south is.


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    Doing a meet soon- end of August. Going for an elite total, single ply.

    Chubs- man, was thinking about heading down tomorrow to hit the beach, but in hundred degree weather, the beach still sounds like no fun at all. Get up to Durham, man!

    Seriously, still shit out there.

    Decent pulling on Thursday- I realize that babying my knee unintentionally the last month or so has really hurt my stability there, so keeping deadlifts relatively light while I work on mobility/stability and quad strength.

    Deadlifts:

    135 x 10
    225 x 10
    315 x 10
    405 x 4
    495 x 2
    525 x 2
    545 x 2
    555 x 2
    495 x 6

    SLDLs:
    405 x 8
    405 x 8
    405 x 6

    Just burnt at this point.

    Did a whole bunch of fast side lunges, a few depth jumps, windshield wipers... then lateral raises, reverse laterals, out for a quick run.

    Run: 5.5 miles, ~7:45 pace. Just kept the speed moderate, quick feet on the uphills, stutter steps on the downhills, picked it up on the flats.


    Yesterday was more knee rehab- knee band squats, low crab walks, pistol squats, then out for a bike:

    Bike- 10 miles, ~24mph.

    Did not mean to do the course this quickly, legs just felt full of juice. Averaged 26-27 on the flats, chased down a car on a slight downhill (Hit sustained 40mph in a sprint).
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    LOL at your "heat wave"

    we just had our first under 100 degree day in about 2 months.. and first rain in about 6 months, lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alex.V View Post
    Doing a meet soon- end of August. Going for an elite total, single ply.
    openers planned yet? what are you shooting for in each lift?
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    Quote Originally Posted by JSully View Post
    LOL at your "heat wave"

    we just had our first under 100 degree day in about 2 months.. and first rain in about 6 months, lol
    Come down and visit, you'd love southeastern humidity.

    Openers, not sure. Strength is bouncing back pretty quickly, thinking of doing:

    S: 560/600/650
    B: 475/505/525
    D: 585/625/650

    Really need to see where things are in about a month... and how healthy I can get this damn knee.
    "Except Belial. He knows everything. This isn't a sarcastic attack, either. He really knows everything." -----Organichu
    "Alex is all knowing and perfect"-----Jane (loosely paraphrased)
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    Thanks man! I got some time, though... Good thing

    Saturday was a DE upper workout, nothing spectacular at all.

    BB bench:
    bar x lots
    135 x 10
    225 x 10
    250 x 3 x 10
    These got better as the reps went on.
    225 + average band around the back x 3 x 6

    Skullcrushers:
    135 x 12
    135 x 12
    155 x 10
    155 x 8

    Smith machine barbell tosses:
    100 x 6 x 4
    I forgot how much I loved these.

    Went out for a short run in the FUCKING AWFUL heat. 5 miles, 8:00 pace. Fuck that.

    Sunday:

    Squats. Bunches of them.

    Squats:
    bar x 6
    135 x 6
    225 x 6
    315 x 6
    405 x 3
    Add suit bottoms:
    495 x 1
    Straps up:
    545 x 1
    585 x 1
    615 x 1
    Smoked them all, knee feeling good.
    Dropped weight, added average bands (+180 or so)
    405 x 3
    405 x 3
    405 x 3

    Back to raw
    Slow, paused ATG squats
    225 x 6
    225 x 10
    225 x 10
    225 x 10

    Yes, this is light weight, but it's amazing how much this shows me I've been favoring my right knee. Sitting with my butt almost on the floor, when I'd start the drive up, I'd instinctively shift all my weight to the left. Worked on doing these slow and fixing the problem. Knee is feeling stronger than it has in over a month.

    Windshield wipers, then went out for a bike. Tried out my new aero helmet!

    25 mile time trial course (minimal stops and lights). Goal- 20 mph. Actual- 20.8 mph

    Not bad given there was about 6 minutes worth of stops. Went through over 50 ounces of water, btw. Road temp out there was 117 degrees. A few short climbs, a few technical turns and squirrely paths. Fun ride. In the flat sections I was averaging around 25-26 mph with minimal effort. I'm actually entertaining thoughts of a 5:30 bike leg to the ironman. If I can do the swim around 1:15 and keep my marathon around 4 hours, that's a sub 11 hour Ironman, which wouldn't be bad for a first effort.

    Signed up for 6 Gap, another hundred mile mountain race... it's in September. Totally stoked.
    "Except Belial. He knows everything. This isn't a sarcastic attack, either. He really knows everything." -----Organichu
    "Alex is all knowing and perfect"-----Jane (loosely paraphrased)
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    Current mile time: 4:23
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    5 miles...8 flat pace...that's rough man. This heat is just beatin' my ass. You curbed back any of your training this last week?

    Fuck, fight, or hold the light.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chubrock View Post
    5 miles...8 flat pace...that's rough man. This heat is just beatin' my ass. You curbed back any of your training this last week?
    Hell yeah it has- original distances were going to be double what I actually did. Just can't hydrate fast enough to compensate for what I'm losing. It's going to break a bit today, finally. About fucking time.
    "Except Belial. He knows everything. This isn't a sarcastic attack, either. He really knows everything." -----Organichu
    "Alex is all knowing and perfect"-----Jane (loosely paraphrased)
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    Very interesting mix of strength and endurance training - good luck with the upcoming competitions!
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    Quote Originally Posted by GazzyG View Post
    Love reading your superheroic training efforts!
    No joke, always the outstanding one Alex.

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    hey big guy, gotta question for you unrelated to your log but I figure you can help me out........ or tell me to eff off, your choice I suppose

    I'm overtrained... plain and simple. I've always said you can't overtrain if you're nutrition is adequate. Well, since I'm cutting, it certainly isn't. 3RM, 2RM and 1RM days have killed my CNS. I can't keep up with my throws, everything is falling apart, no energy, little tweaks here and there and just overall blegh...

    I've got a competition 7/21 (next saturday). I did some olympic lifting today and WAS going to deadlift/ohp and do some back work thursday but I'm going to drop that. On monday I plan on doing some 3x10 stuff with 135 (squats/deads/bench).. you know, a recovery type sesh. Going to be doing a lot of stretching and active recovery work as well. I'm done throwing until saturday in which I'll throw heavy saturday, then light stuff on monday and tuesday. I wanted to do wednesday but I don't think that'll give me enough time to recover before saturday. Ice baths are in the RX this weekend and a couple times next week.

    So, in the meantime I really don't want to just sit around and do nothing. This would be a great time to hit some conditioning work, but how will this affect my recovery? The whole purpose of me taking this time is to be as close to 100% as possible for the competition. I'm bumping calories up to 3700-4000 cals starting wednesday and going through saturday. Moving to Wendlers 5/3/1 to avoid this in the future. Thinknig of doing something like a 5x500m row sprint on friday and maybe again next week.

    I saw you posted something above about HIIT and strength training being very non-complimentary to each other. Just seeing what you thought about this.

    Thanks boss.
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    Tom, Gaz, Coke, thanks very much guys! Just trying to keep it all up, with varied levels of success. Appreciate you all checking in.

    Jake-

    The way I see it: Depends what you mean by "conditioning". There are two basic types of conditioning you could be looking for- the first being more sports-specific conditioning (Lactic acid threshold training, repeated high effort intervals designed to increase sports-specific work capacity), the second being general aerobic training to increase non-specific aerobic capacity.

    For the former, the best kind of work in this regard is repeated submaximal effort at the sports-specific movement- i.e. doing multiple upper body push plyometrics or speed work with very short recovery times to improve your body's ability to return to maximum performance in a short period of time. This SPP (specialized physical preparation) is a solid addition to any training, and probably something you incorporate regardless.

    The problem with this is that it's taxing the exact same energy systems that are overtrained- your type II fibers are exhausted, your nervous system is shot from repeated high effort, high intensity work, and this sort of thing would just exacerbate the problem, or at least, hinder recovery.

    The other extreme is purely aerobic work- any sort of slow, steady state work that will improve purely aerobic energy systems- improving type I fiber efficiency, capillarization, increasing mitochondrial density, lung capacity, heart stroke volume... Though the benefits would be less immediate as a games competitor, this sort of training is definitely good for your health and would probably improve your training in the long run, as you'd be less fatigued systemically midway through a longer workout session.

    The worst of both worlds is GPP, or generic "metcons". These do nothing to improve sports-specific work capacity, while still exhausting the energy systems that you are trying to let recover. So pretty much, avoid these. No sense doing row repeats, burpees, or any of that other stuff. They're preventing you from recuperating, and doing very little to improve purely aerobic measures of performance.

    I would say the best thing for you to do is precisely the slow, steady aerobic activity. Minimal effort, no burning in your legs or upper body, just get your heart rate up to a moderate level, get yourself breathing a little harder, and sustain that energy output for a while. That should let your anaerobic systems recover while still helping you improve one critical dimension of athleticism.

    Take that for what it's worth. I think the rest of your plan sounds really solid, including the calorie change. Best of luck, man. Kick some ass!
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    interesting info... thank you for the long explanation..

    500m rows are fun but I can see how they will tax the same recovery system that is already in the shitter, so I suppose that's out..

    next best thing is the stationary bike I suppose, will hit that up for 1/2 hour or so, need to work on heart rate/lung capacity etc so that'll be good for me. Thanks for the help, man.
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    First event was announced for the CF games today. 700m swim, 9k bike, 11k run.... Through the mountains. You'd probably win that one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bako Lifter View Post
    First event was announced for the CF games today. 700m swim, 9k bike, 11k run.... Through the mountains. You'd probably win that one.
    Dude, I had to go check this for myself. 700 meter ocean swim with fins, an 8k bike ride, and a 6.6 mile run with less elevation change that the trail that everybody runs around here. They could have upped the ante here a bit! Cool to see them mixing it up, though, and putting some endurance stuff in there. Reading the comments, seems that people are pretty split on whether or not it's in the spirit of the games.

    Jake, no problem man. Get healthy and kick some ass, dammit.
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    the whole purpose behind crossfit is to be able to handle anything that is thown at them at any time.. I'd say this "surprise" mini-triathlon is just that. I dig it.

    rather they do that than twenty thousand 75lb snatches for time..
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    Quote Originally Posted by JSully View Post
    the whole purpose behind crossfit is to be able to handle anything that is thown at them at any time.. I'd say this "surprise" mini-triathlon is just that. I dig it.

    rather they do that than twenty thousand 75lb snatches for time..
    Yeah, exactly- I think that was the better argument in the guys who were all for it. And the games provided the bikes, so equipment was standard across the board. Either you can hack it or you can't.

    I still giggle when people talk about doing snatches.

    The 110 pound snatch I did yesterday just left for vacation, so I suppose I'm stuck with high rep jerks.
    "Except Belial. He knows everything. This isn't a sarcastic attack, either. He really knows everything." -----Organichu
    "Alex is all knowing and perfect"-----Jane (loosely paraphrased)
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    lmao.. I did power snatches, snatch pulls and drop snatches yeterday..

    glorious
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alex.V View Post

    The 110 pound snatch I did yesterday just left for vacation, so I suppose I'm stuck with high rep jerks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JSully View Post
    lmao.. I did power snatches, snatch pulls and drop snatches yeterday..

    glorious
    I'd probably get slapped if I dropped a snatch by accident.

    Speaking of snatches, I'm lifting like less of a pussy lately.

    Tuesday was a pretty solid bench day:

    ME bench:
    bar x lots
    135 x 10
    225 x 10
    315 x 10
    365 x 4
    405 x 2
    435 x 1
    add shirt
    455 x 1 (easy as hell)
    475 x 1 (Again, easy opener)
    515 x 1 (Came up about as fast as 475)
    Back to raw:
    365 x 6
    With average band behind back:
    225 x 10
    225 x 10

    Happy with all this- feeling confident I can get another ten pounds in me in the next month, easy.

    I forget the accessory work I did- there were skullcrushers, barbell rows, and some abs involved. And a 4 mile run at around an 8:00 pace.

    Yesterday was a short, short bike. 8 mile time trial course, goal speed 24mph. Actual speed: ~25.2mph. Given there were two complete stops and one slow street crossing, my moving average was closer to 27mph. I was very pleased with this. Of course, it rained during the last two minutes and my phone/GPS got soaked. It's sitting in a bowl of rice.

    Today was deadlifts.

    Deadlifts:
    135 x 10
    225 x 6
    315 x 6
    405 x 5
    495 x 2
    545 x 2
    605 x 2 (Not as pathetic as usual)
    495 x 6

    SLDLs:
    405 x 8
    405 x 8

    ATG paused squats:
    245 x 6
    245 x 6

    Good mornings:
    275 x 10
    275 x 10

    Short run: 3 miles, ~7:30 pace.

    And now, beer.
    "Except Belial. He knows everything. This isn't a sarcastic attack, either. He really knows everything." -----Organichu
    "Alex is all knowing and perfect"-----Jane (loosely paraphrased)
    -515/745/700 bench/deadlift/squat
    Current mile time: 4:23
    Marathons: 3
    Century races: 3
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    Very impressive benching and deads, props on the short bike ride too.

    Although you may possibly save your soaked phone in the rice, your battery is likely toast...good luck.

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