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The Five Biggest Contradictions in Fitness

It’s no secret that when people contradict themselves, it has the effect of making the flaws in their actions or statements seem glaringly obvious. But what about when WE ourselves get caught contradicting ourselves by someone else?

By: Nick Tumminello Added: January 6th, 2014
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    ...fattest...fatter...fat. WannaBeStrong's Avatar
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    Refeeds, frequency, and necessity

    What is everyone's opinion on refeeds as the title suggests?

    I generally utilize the "treat" factor where I eat 1 meal of General Tso's chicken (no rice) on Saturday, while keeping the rest of my meals strict. I am thinking that refeeding more often [and more healthy] might keep my fat loss moving at a quicker pace.

    I've also seen "cycling" calories like :
    Week 1: 2500 2400 2300 2200 2100 2000 1900
    Week 2: 2400 2300 2200 2100 2000 1900 1800
    Week 3: 2300 2200 2100 2000 1900 1800 1700

    I take ECA but I don't think it's enough to totally combat a slowing metabolism.

    What is your opinion?
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    I've switched to 2 insulin spikes a day to try and keep my metabolism up. I'm pretty sure that works great, because I can lose upto 2lbs of glycogen now in a day, eat more, and I'm hungrier (long after a potential insulin induced sugar crash).

    Normally I was losing 1/2 lb a day (glycogen I believe), on less calories.

    Breakfast and PW are the obvious choices. Glycogen deprived, and ready for a lot of protein.

    Not a clue weather the (lowfat) refeeds help or hurt. General Tsao's chicken is probably not a good one, since it's got soo much fat. On a high insulin refeed, you'd just pack all that fat back on. Stick with just carbs / protein.

    Anyone?

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    That's a good deal of glycogen lost per day.

    I've seen people discuss refeeds here before, I know others implement this.

    also: Do you refeed @ maintenance or slightly above?

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    I have had good luck with two days at maintenance. (Till I couldn't get anywhere w/ 2,200 anymore)

    The last "refeed" was more like 4 hrs. I'm sure I was under or par for the day.

    A new record today 183.5, so something is different. I'm excited.

    Fudo

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    If you lose 1lb or more after the first week I'd keep calories still and follow the exact plan again. I've been at 2000 calories / day for 5 straight weeks and have been losing 1-1.5lbs each week and the weight loss has been at least 80% fat.

    Also about your refeed question. Answers vary, but I think majority says BMR+50%. Most males have a BMR of around 2000. So that means you eat 3000cals on a refeed day.

    Thats probably most beneficial not only for leptine but mental reasons. Although both are sorta linked I suppose.

    I think you only need 1 refeed / week for >10% bf. 2 refeeds / week for <10%.
    High high carbs, moderate protein, and as low of fat as possible.
    I'd keep each refeed within 12 hours too.
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    can someone inform me what exactly a "refeed" is

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    Originally posted by ryuage
    can someone inform me what exactly a "refeed" is
    Planned overfeeding. A search on the term here should bring up plenty of info.

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