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The Five Biggest Contradictions in Fitness

Its no secret that when people contradict themselves, it has the effect of making the flaws in their actions or statements seem glaringly obvious. But what about when WE ourselves get caught contradicting ourselves by someone else?

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  1. #1
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    Will this routine help me lose fat?

    Hi guys,

    Currently my routine is a 4 day split

    Day 1
    Chest and tri's

    Day 2
    Legs and shoulders

    Day 3 Back and Bi's

    Day 4
    Dead lift + squat + Bench press


    I am relatively a begginner, wonder whether this will help me lose fat or would I need to include some cardio in there somewhere?

    I am also currently on a diet which I got some great help on from the diet forum.

    Thanks!

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    Routines don't make you lose fat. Diet does.

    But cardio will help. A lot.
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    well, routines can be cardio routines, so they can induce weight loss.

    weight lifting will not make you lose fat, at all...In fact, if your already overweight, weight lifting will probably make you look bigger. It will tighten up your fat, at best. You asked "will you lose fat." the answer is no.

    Start off running 10 minutes for the first week, be realistic with yourself. Then the following week do 20, followed by 30. 30 minutes will be required, WITH a good diet, to lose any substantial weight(in an ample amount of time). Of course if your did cardio for 60 minutes, this would be even better, but I dont know if you'd do that, and if you did, you might get so sick of it you quit altogether.

    id say try to get to a solid 45 minutes of total cardio, whether you do 25 minutes of straight running, and 20 minutes of the stair climber, or just 45 minutes of running...whatever. 45 minutes, 3 days a week atleast, work yourself up to that. It might take a month or more, but you now have an achievable goal.

    Also try and fit the weightlifting into all that, and you see it can get time consuming, but if you want to lose weight, this is what you must do. it sucks.. I know.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vikingsroad View Post
    weight lifting will not make you lose fat, at all...In fact, if your already overweight, weight lifting will probably make you look bigger. It will tighten up your fat, at best. You asked "will you lose fat." the answer is no.
    This sounds very foolish.... fat doesnt "tighten up." losing fat will make you tighten up. weight lifting if done properly will build muscle.. more muscle will burn more calories... which brings me to my point.... CREATE A CALORIE DEFICIT. This is how you lose weight... burning calories will allow you to drop fat. whether it be w/ weight training, just cardio, or both... the more active and more calories you burn as long as nutrition is in check, the more fat you will lose!!!
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    No it doesnt, your just making it more complicated than I stated it. If you are overweight, and he add's muscle, you will be "tightening up your fat."

    I wasnt speaking on a molecular level, where performing resisting training, will send a shock to the fat cells, telling them to get tighter, where they decrease in overall size, but keep their volume.

    If I had a balloon and filled it with crisco, and then added steaks to the balloon," id be "tightening up the fat." Its not to be taken so damn literal. There'd be less room for the fat to congregate freely when the steaks are added, causing the fat to be dispelled in a tighter space.

    Your arguing semantics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZAR-FIT View Post
    done properly will build muscle.. more muscle will burn more calories... .
    and he asked how to lose weight, not a few calories. Weight lifting doesnt expel enough calories to really 'loose weight" in any significant fashion, other wise, those stupid ab machines on the television would work as a "fat burner."...which they dont!

    or have sex! you lose some calories when you do that and im sure the weight would be substantial enough to actually lose "fat." probably not...

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    also, to bg5150..It may appear I to was arguing semantics, but when you said routines dont cause weight loss, I thought that may confuse him when he sees "The lose weight in 50 days routine(whatever the hell that is) and the routine includes cardio.

    obviously you were referring to weight lifting only routines, but I dont think the original poster knew that.

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    weight lifting will not make you lose fat, at all...
    If it's accompanied by a caloric deficit, why not?

    Of course if your did cardio for 60 minutes, this would be even better
    Would 120 minutes therefore be better again?

    Also try and fit the weightlifting into all that, and you see it can get time consuming, but if you want to lose weight, this is what you must do. it sucks.. I know.
    Must eh? I assure you that it is possible to lose fat with no cardio at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tom183 View Post
    If it's accompanied by a caloric deficit, why not?



    Would 120 minutes therefore be better again?



    Must eh? I assure you that it is possible to lose fat with no cardio at all.
    the CALORIC DEFICIT would be the main factor in the weight loss, not the weight lifting...would it help...yes, so would burning calories from sex.


    Would 120 minutes be better? why wouldnt it be better? you'd be burning more calories,...now, lets pretend for the sake of understanding...we go back in time 2 weeks ago to a date he did 60 minutes...and I used my magic to make it 120 minutes...it would be better... again, I dont understand your reasoning. He's going to eat what hes going to eat, or in this magical case, already ate, so how is burning more not going to be better?

    He asked for a routine, I gave him a simple goal, cardio by minutes, and tryed to uncomplicate something for someone who professed their confusion on this topic. "do 60 minutes and you'll have 6 pack abs, its the magical number" I never said that!



    It's possible to lose fat without cardio? YES! if your eating right, the weight lifting has no significant effect on this, it can on some people, boost their metabolism, etc, etc, but to realistically say, to lose a SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF WEIGHT, YOU SHOULD DO WEIGHT LIFTING BECAUSE YOU'LL BURN "SOME" FAT ...is not as right....as say doing 30,m 60 minutes of cardio. technically will you lose some fat..YES but im talking about losing SIGNIFICANT amounts of fat, not just some for the sake of being argumentative and scientific. I also told him he should continue weight lifting.

    Your arguing different topics here...I didnt say anything about diet not having a large role in weight loss, I said weight lifting has a minor effect..does it help...yes! it does help.

    (excuse my excess of caps I didnt notice the bold and underline symbols until now, and im not going back to fix it)

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    in my first post I also see I said weight lifting wont make you lose fat at all....yes thats wrong, but thats not what I meant. By lose fat he wont not be fat anymore...by "not losing fat at all", he wont lose the "fat him" especially with a lackluster diet, which I think is the most complicated and hard to do process of getting "fit" This question was about routine not diet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BG5150 View Post
    Routines don't make you lose fat. Diet does.

    But cardio will help. A lot.

    I just realized, he also agrees with "weight lifting wont make you lose SIGNIFICANT amounts of fat."

    when he says lose fat, again hes talking from a PRACTICAL, approach, not a overtly scientific standard.


    Again, I didnt say diet didnt do it, but that wasnt what he asked.

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    in this thread, we argue a moot point.

    yes it will help you lose fat accompanied with the proper diet

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    Caloric Deficit by any healthy means.....
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    ....it has been proven that you burn more fat weight lifting than traditional cardio in some instances.... obviously diet will impact it in whatever way you choose it too, but still.

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    Yep OP, asking the wrong question really. Focus on your diet if you want to lose fat.


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    Would 120 minutes be better? why wouldnt it be better? you'd be burning more calories
    Point I was trying to make is that a 'more is better' approach only works for so long.

    the CALORIC DEFICIT would be the main factor in the weight loss
    If you know this then don't tell the OP that he must work up to 45 mins of cardio 3 times per week.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vikingsroad View Post
    Also try and fit the weightlifting into all that, and you see it can get time consuming, but if you want to lose weight, this is what you must do. it sucks.. I know.
    I didnt say he "must only do 45 minutes of cardio and this is the magic number" your rearranging what I said, and what I meant.

    I said he must spend a legitimate time in the gym.... not 5 minutes. I gave him 45 minutes...I also gave him 10 minutes, 20 minutes, and 30 minutes, I told him to do what he knows is working for him. thats what im talking about in "must". that "must" also referred to weight lifting and diet.



    I think were arguing from the same side, maybe you thought I was a know-it-all from t-nation or something.

    I may have used a grouping of words that had unintended connotations, but as a result of the argument I believe the poster who asked the question, will be at a more educated standpoint in his quest for fat loss.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Whoopipally View Post
    ....it has been proven that you burn more fat weight lifting than traditional cardio in some instances.... obviously diet will impact it in whatever way you choose it too, but still.
    It has been proven to burn more fat than that of weightlifting in some instances.

    what the hell does that even mean?
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    Seriously dude, relax. Stay on topic, OP's question has been addressed. If you guys really want to argue on the internet for a few hours, make a new topic.

    I'll happily join in.

    PS- cardio makes you fat and weak.
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    Cardio will not make you lose fat without a good diet. Weight lifting will not make you lose fat without a good diet. You can lose fat with weightlifting and a good diet without doing cardio.

    I have been in the gym for a while now, I don't know many guys that have a good diet and lift weights that are flabby (unless they are looking to bulk up.)

    I'm not looking to argue, but do some research before you spread "facts."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Belial View Post
    PS- cardio makes you fat and weak.
    Says the distance runner.

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    Quote Originally Posted by drew View Post
    Says the distance runner.
    Exactly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Belial View Post
    Seriously dude, relax. Stay on topic, OP's question has been addressed. If you guys really want to argue on the internet for a few hours, make a new topic.

    I'll happily join in.

    PS- cardio makes you fat and weak.
    we do want to argue on the internet for a few hours, we did that, why make a new topic, were already did it here...its like someone watching a shootout, and than after everyones been shot saying "alright guys, lets knock it off."

    whats wrong with a heated debate? whats wrong with good arguing? I dont see why this is a bad thing (in a message board of all places), everyone argued respectfully...your just upset you showed up late to the party.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vikingsroad View Post
    It has been proven to burn more fat than that of weightlifting in some instances.

    what the hell does that even mean?

    First off my friend, you read my first comment completely wrong. I'll be more than happy to repeat it to yourself. Read it slowly now

    ....it has been proven that you burn more fat weight lifting than traditional cardio in some instances....

    Now to further my statement:


    "According to a recent study in the Journal of Strength and Conditioning, benefits of weight lifting may last longer than those of running. Scientists monitored two groups of men for 48 weeks. Three days a week for the first 24 weeks, one group did 3 sets of 10 weightlifting exercises a session while the other group ran 30 minutes on treadmills. Then both groups quit exercising entirely for the next 24 weeks. Tests afterwards showed that the lifters were stronger and had lower body-fat levels than the runners..."

    Thats "what the hell" it means : )

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    Quote Originally Posted by Whoopipally View Post
    First off my friend, you read my first comment completely wrong. I'll be more than happy to repeat it to yourself. Read it slowly now

    ....it has been proven that you burn more fat weight lifting than traditional cardio in some instances....

    Now to further my statement:


    "According to a recent study in the Journal of Strength and Conditioning, benefits of weight lifting may last longer than those of running. Scientists monitored two groups of men for 48 weeks. Three days a week for the first 24 weeks, one group did 3 sets of 10 weightlifting exercises a session while the other group ran 30 minutes on treadmills. Then both groups quit exercising entirely for the next 24 weeks. Tests afterwards showed that the lifters were stronger and had lower body-fat levels than the runners..."

    Thats "what the hell" it means : )
    I see NOTHING in there about their diets, what were the cardio guys eating in this "all mighty" study, have you even read this thread? Everyone established diet is key to fat loss, not simply running or weight lifting.

    It doesnt even say how many men participated, just says "two groups", they could be 4 people.

    read this again slowly, "what the hell does that even mean?" super super : ) ley-face.

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