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The Five Biggest Contradictions in Fitness

Itís no secret that when people contradict themselves, it has the effect of making the flaws in their actions or statements seem glaringly obvious. But what about when WE ourselves get caught contradicting ourselves by someone else?

By: Nick Tumminello Added: January 6th, 2014
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  1. #251
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    How did you back injury occur? I have a torn l5s1, been dealing with it for a few years now. After what felt like some close calls I quit pulling conventional. I had worked up to a max of 600, which was a struggle. Since then I had not pulled over 500 conventional. My sumo training really took off. Well, here is a "rookie mistake for you (which turned out to be the smartest idea). I was doing my squat & dead openers two weeks out from my first meet. Well, I went to pull 575 (projected opener) and it didn't budge. Frustrated, I switched to conventional. 405,455,500,545,575 all SPEED pulls.. Two weeks later on my third attempt I pulled 640. What I am getting at is, I think sumos have a huge carryover to conventional but not vice versa. Front squats have really brough my conventional up too. Good luck!
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    Quote Originally Posted by J L S View Post
    I imagine all the sumo work you have done will have had some carryover anyway, and im also pretty sure that overthinking on meet day come deadlift time wont be an issue either haha! adrenaline and nose tork should sort that very swiftly! just gotta commit to the pull
    Exactly J. I never really think too much about it on meet day. I mostly just let the mind go blank and lift. It's worked so far. The nose tork does help! Haha.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mc_Beast View Post
    How did you back injury occur? I have a torn l5s1, been dealing with it for a few years now. After what felt like some close calls I quit pulling conventional. I had worked up to a max of 600, which was a struggle. Since then I had not pulled over 500 conventional. My sumo training really took off. Well, here is a "rookie mistake for you (which turned out to be the smartest idea). I was doing my squat & dead openers two weeks out from my first meet. Well, I went to pull 575 (projected opener) and it didn't budge. Frustrated, I switched to conventional. 405,455,500,545,575 all SPEED pulls.. Two weeks later on my third attempt I pulled 640. What I am getting at is, I think sumos have a huge carryover to conventional but not vice versa. Front squats have really brough my conventional up too. Good luck!
    It occured deadlifting of all things. Way before I even took up powerlifting. It had hurt for some time and one day when I was warming up WITH AN EMPTY BAR it just popped. L5 complete rupture. I think you are dead on with the carryover thing as JLS stated above as well. I have never had conventional pulls flying up this easy. Definitely think all the sumo pulling has increased my hip strength. Great to hear your story. Really has me convinced to stick with conventional and set a PR in 4 weeks.
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  3. #253
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    Workouts from Monday and Wednesday:

    Monday:

    bench: 135x20 x 3 sets

    Dbell Rows: 50 x 10 x 3 sets

    Dbell Skull Crushers: 15's x 20 x 3 sets

    Wednesday:

    squat: 225 x 5 x 5 sets

    Pull: 225 x 6 singles

    GHR: bw x 10 x 3 sets

    situps: bw x 20 x 3 sets

    DELOADING!!!!
    Meet PR's (raw):

    Squat: 500
    Bench: 360
    Dead: 525


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    staying fresh! i like it
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    Glad to see your sticking with conventional!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by J L S View Post
    staying fresh! i like it
    A little over 3 weeks out. Gotta stay fresh and inury free!

    Quote Originally Posted by Brian Hopper View Post
    Glad to see your sticking with conventional!!!
    Thanks Brian, me too. It just feels more natural for some reason.
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    Thursday 7/13/12 DELOAD

    Speed Bench: 170 + light bands x 3 x 9 sets

    Incline Dbell Bench: 70 x 10 x 3 sets

    Side Raises: 15's x 20 x 3 sets

    Dbell Curls: 3x20

    Everything light!!!
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    Squat: 500
    Bench: 360
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    Keeping everything light right now is the timely thing to be doing man.

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    nice, whats the plan for the next 3 weeks into the meet?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coke View Post
    Keeping everything light right now is the timely thing to be doing man.
    Hell yeah Coke. At this point its more important to come in healthy and feeling strong.

    Quote Originally Posted by J L S View Post
    nice, whats the plan for the next 3 weeks into the meet?
    Monday will be regular ME upper day. Usual speed work through the week. Saturday (14 days out) we'll hit squat and dead openers and possibly seconds depending on how we feel. Speed work through the week and bench openers 7 days out. Seems to work really well for us as we always hit bigger numbers in the meet than in training, which is kind of the point right? Lol!
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    Squat: 500
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    Dead: 525


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    Saturday 7/14/12 - Deload Lower

    Squat:
    135x5
    135x5
    225x5
    225x3
    315 (70%) x1
    315 (70%) x1
    315 (70%) x1

    Deadlift (Conventional):
    135x3
    225x1
    315x1
    350 (70%) x 1
    350 (70%) x 1
    350 (70%) x 1

    Static Leg Raises (hold at parallel):
    15 seconds
    15 seconds
    15 seconds
    15 seconds

    Keeping everything relatively light and explosive. Last heavy workout for squat/dead is next Saturday and I'm looking forward to it.
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    Squat: 500
    Bench: 360
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    Monday 7/16/12 - ME Upper

    Bench:
    135x5
    135x5
    185x3
    225x3
    275x2
    315x1
    added one-board
    335x1
    350x1
    365x1

    Barbell Rows:
    185x10
    205x10
    205x10
    205x10

    EZ Skulls:
    4x10

    Flat Dbell Bench:
    70x20
    70x20

    Pretty good day. Not sure if 365 is a PR but probably not since I've done 360 off my chest. It was a grinder today. Bench is not gonna move till my bodyweight does I'm afraid. Still confident I can get 352 at the meet when I'm peaked. We'll see....
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    Squat: 500
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    Great day with the benching and all, fine lower body speed work too.

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    haha too right about hitting the bigger numbers in the meets where it counts! Ive learned that the hard way haha! sounds like a good plan! Always seems the hardest thing for me getting it right when it really counts, can train weeks and weeks for one day!
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    Strong board presses!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coke View Post
    Great day with the benching and all, fine lower body speed work too.
    Thanks my friend! Hopefully it all pays off.

    haha too right about hitting the bigger numbers in the meets where it counts! Ive learned that the hard way haha! sounds like a good plan! Always seems the hardest thing for me getting it right when it really counts, can train weeks and weeks for one day!
    Yeah peaking is definitely an art more than a science. What has always seemed to work for me is just making sure I'm completely rested. Even if I don't hit some numbers I'm supposed to in the weeks before, if I am rested I will hit my numbers in the meet.

    Quote Originally Posted by Brian Hopper View Post
    Strong board presses!!!
    Thanks Brian! Felt heavier than I would have liked...
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    Wednesday 7/18/12 - DE/RE Lower

    Squat:
    135x5
    135x5
    225x3
    225x3
    275 (60%) x2 x 12 sets

    Speed Pulls (conventional):
    300 (60%) + 50 pounds chains x 1 x 5 sets

    Wide Stance Front Box Squats (16 inch box):
    185x5
    225x5
    275x5

    GHR/Weighted Sit-up Superset:
    25x10/25x10
    25x10/25x10
    25x10/25x10

    Squat form felt a little off but weight was still flying up. Pulls felt great. Openers for squat and dead on Saturday. Looking forward to it.
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    Squat: 500
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    Dead: 525


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    Quote Originally Posted by jkstrength View Post
    Openers for squat and dead on Saturday.
    Will definitely be watching this space for it man.

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    How often do you deload?
    My Training Log
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    1030SQ, 640BP, 685DL and 2355 total
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    665SQ, 440BP, 727DL and 1815 total
    Best raw meet w/sleeves @ 275
    700SQ, 452BP, 722DL and 1874 total

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coke View Post
    Will definitely be watching this space for it man.
    Thanks Coke. I appreciate the continued support!

    Quote Originally Posted by Brian Hopper View Post
    How often do you deload?
    Every fourth week. I used to deload just when I felt like it but I would just go until I was completely beat up and a week off was never enough. This cycle I just did every fourth week and I feel great. No pain anywhere.
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    That sounds about right. That's what we do also. I tried this past training cycle to push it a little further and it sucked, lol. It was a short 8 week cycle and I did PR at the end, but it was still a bad idea.
    My Training Log
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    *************************
    Best geared meet @ 242
    1030SQ, 640BP, 685DL and 2355 total
    Best raw meet w/sleeves @ 242
    665SQ, 440BP, 727DL and 1815 total
    Best raw meet w/sleeves @ 275
    700SQ, 452BP, 722DL and 1874 total

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian Hopper View Post
    That sounds about right. That's what we do also. I tried this past training cycle to push it a little further and it sucked, lol. It was a short 8 week cycle and I did PR at the end, but it was still a bad idea.
    Yeah I've done longer cycles without a deload and pretty much felt the same way. PRed but don't know if it was worth it. So you deload every fourth as well?
    Meet PR's (raw):

    Squat: 500
    Bench: 360
    Dead: 525


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    Thursday 7/19/12 - DE Upper

    Speed Bench:
    175 + 40 pounds chain x 3 x 9 sets

    Floor Press (paused):
    225x5
    275x5
    300x5
    320x5 PR

    Chins:
    BW + 25 x 6 x 4 sets (30 seconds rest between sets)

    Military Press:
    115x5 x 4 sets (30 seconds rest between sets)

    Feeling strong and very pumped for this meet. If I hit my numbers I'll finally make the top 50 ranking on Powerliftingwatch.com in at least squat and total. Don't want to jinx myself but I'm definitely feeling like its something I am very capable of. Squat/Dead openers on Saturday. I'm thinking 440ish squat and 470ish dead.
    Last edited by jkstrength; 07-20-2012 at 09:57 AM.
    Meet PR's (raw):

    Squat: 500
    Bench: 360
    Dead: 525


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    Quote Originally Posted by jkstrength View Post
    Yeah I've done longer cycles without a deload and pretty much felt the same way. PRed but don't know if it was worth it. So you deload every fourth as well?
    Yep, 3 weeks of heavy training then 1 week for a deload!
    My Training Log
    My YouTube page
    Training by Tone Barbaccio
    New Dimensions Wellness & Education

    *************************
    Best geared meet @ 242
    1030SQ, 640BP, 685DL and 2355 total
    Best raw meet w/sleeves @ 242
    665SQ, 440BP, 727DL and 1815 total
    Best raw meet w/sleeves @ 275
    700SQ, 452BP, 722DL and 1874 total

    *************************
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian Hopper View Post
    Yep, 3 weeks of heavy training then 1 week for a deload!
    Exactly what we usually do.
    Meet PR's (raw):

    Squat: 500
    Bench: 360
    Dead: 525


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