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    200g of protein?!!

    The supplement peddlers have all convinced the general public that browses their mags, that a man who works out with weights needs 1.5g of protein per pound of lean bodyweight. Like from 200g to 600g. What a bunch of crap! I don't even eat meat. I use 60-75g of quality whey or egg protein per day. Not only do I work out hard in the gym but I do alot of running as well. I used to do construction work all day and then come home and work out. I still ate this way. The key is this: Don't be one of the ant-carb morons. Maybe if these people actually ate enough carbs they wouldn't have to consume ridiculous amounts of protein, which ends up being inefficiently converted to fuel rather than rebuilding muscle. I eat carbs like a horse. Fat is the enemy!
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    Thank you Dr. Will.

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    Will, everyones different in terms of protein need, sure you are very ripped, but you might not have the protein intake that is needed to sustain growth. Sure eating 250G of protein when you weigh in @ 150lbs is riddiculous, but in essense eating 150G of protein a day isn't that much, and really, im sure people prefer to eat meat then bread/vegetables.

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    One word.....Genetics

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    Ditto from borbarell

    Walken1 - As your first post I find this a poor way to introduce yourself. If you eat 60-75g of protein per day and eat lots and lots of carbs and you stay ripped and big. Then there is ONE reason for this, you have an extreamly fast metabolism. Not all of us do! If most of us ate 60-75g of protein and hundreds of grams of carbs we would all gain much, much more fat than you'll ever see on yourself.
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    You're just a kid. You can eat anything you want and I don't think you would get fat unless you're a couch potato when you are not working out......looking at your numbers, I doubt you are. I used to run cross-country when I was your age and I could not bench what you can. You got your whole life ahead of you and I think you're doing great!
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    Thanks for the nice thoughts but I most certainitly cannot eat whatever I want. I'm sure my metabolism is still faster right now than what it will be in 10 years, but if I ate like most of my friends (the average teenager), I'd be about 30lbs heavier
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    Walken,

    what do you think to Pro bodybuilder who eat 500g of protein a day ? Are they wasting there time too ?

    Fat is not the enermy at all. EFA are hugly benefitial to a diet. Too many carbs will make you fat ... simple as. You do 16 mile runs for the love of god ...... you could eat half the rice in China and still be ripped, but you'd find it hard to go over 200lbs.

    It all boils down to "Calories in Vs Calories out."

    Carbs can, and in alot of cases are the enermy. I've learned this myself when I got to 270, due to too many carbs.
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    500g's of protein Yates? I'll tell you they're wasting their time. Absolutely no need.

    I agree it all boils down to cals in vs cal out, so how can carbs be the enemy then? Fat certainly isn't either.

    I think the difference with Walken is that he is in this game for the health aspects, unlike a pro bodybuilder.

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    Originally posted by MarshallPenn
    500g's of protein Yates? I'll tell you they're wasting their time. Absolutely no need.

    * You'll tell them huh ?! Mmmmm Maybe Ronnie or Jay will listen when you tell them there 'doing it all wrong' and could make vast improvements with your wealth of knowledge and experience.

    Don't forget Protein needs increase with the more Muscle Mass you carry.


    I agree it all boils down to cals in vs cal out, so how can carbs be the enemy then? Fat certainly isn't either.

    * Excess carbs are normally the enermy because they are usually the nutriant the bodybuilders over eat on. Look at when a bodybuilder gets ready for a contest ..... he manipulates his carbs. Full Glycogen stores and exess Gluscose in your blood stream will simply make you fat.

    I think the difference with Walken is that he is in this game for the health aspects, unlike a pro bodybuilder.

    *The rule applies to most people. As stated Walken does a hell of alot of cardio (hence the reason he's in great shape) but is not that heavy. It boils down to goals. He also apears bigger due to his low BF.

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    I think most people will agree with the idea that you are selling but not the method. Yes, 1.5g protein per body pound is a ton and your body won't use it all efficiently. There are many studies that indicate that your body can't use nearly that much protein for muscle growth.

    Why do they say 1.5g/pody pound? Most of them sell protein. The more you take, the more you buy, the more $$ they make.

    But protein is not the enemy. Neither are carbs or fats. They all play important roles in the body. The enemy is excess and poor planning.

    Nobody can say what the 'correct' amount of any macro is. There are too many variables. Same with how much training you should do. All we can do is suggest what we see as being a guideline.
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    Yates - You saying I don't know more than Ronnie or Jay? Or just throwing a cheap shot my way?

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    Well - as I have stated before in other posts - when I started consuming 200-275g a day of protein, I made tremendous gains. I have read some stuff that indicated that the more protein you ingest, the more you actually digest. If you eat 30 g/day, your body won't digest 30 g. If you eat 500 g/day, your body won't digest 500 g but it will digest MUCH MORE than 30! Muscle is not built by carbs. It is built from the amino acids found in proteins - and personally I would rather have more than not enough.

    And - as has been stated again and again - Every BODY is different.
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    Regardless of the cost to your health? That's fine if that's your choice, it just doesn't work for me. I don't count my protein intake at all, but I would imagine it's between 100 and 200 grams a day at a bodyweight of over 200lbs.

    If someone can show me studies that show one's body actually needs and uses that much protein, I would be greatly interested in reading it.

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    Originally posted by MarshallPenn

    If someone can show me studies that show one's body actually needs and uses that much protein, I would be greatly interested in reading it.
    http://www.hypertrophy-specific.com/...teinmyths.html

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    Originally posted by MarshallPenn
    If someone can show me studies that show one's body actually needs and uses that much protein, I would be greatly interested in reading it.
    Do you know of studies where high protein has caused kidney damage in people who don't already have kidney problems?
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    Originally posted by The_Chicken_Daddy


    Do you know of studies where high protein has caused kidney damage in people who don't already have kidney problems?
    There are no long-term studies, at least of which I'm aware, looking at the sort of intakes some bodybuilders consume. From what we know of protein metabolism, it's safe to say it probably ends up being a bit taxing on the kidneys. Whether it ends up causing problems, who knows? Seeing, however, that their is not a shred of evidence that consuming above about 1g per lb of bodyweight is needed, I don't see a reason to chance it(I used to consume much more protein myself before I was convinced of this.) Personally, I think bodybuilders do need more than 60g of protein a day--and this is backed up by evidence--but there's nothing to suggest that 2g per lb and up is going to do anything than be a very inefficient and expensive source of glucose.

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    Originally posted by TryingToBeBig
    Thanks for the nice thoughts but I most certainitly cannot eat whatever I want. I'm sure my metabolism is still faster right now than what it will be in 10 years, but if I ate like most of my friends (the average teenager), I'd be about 30lbs heavier
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    walken1...[edited out by Blood&Iron]...you look good, I'm not taking that away from you, but you run miles a day and obviously have a fast metabolism. "I only eat 65-70g of protein a day". *High-five*. "I don't even eat meat". *High-five*. "My diet consists of almost strictly carbs". *High-five*. There's no way I could be even close to as shredded as you if I didn't eliminate carbs almost completely. If it works for you then fine, do what you have to do. However, don't make a thread based on ridiculously generalized comments. Just so you are aware, what works for you might just not work for everyone else.
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    Originally posted by Vido
    walken1 [edited out by Blood&Iron] You look good, I'm not taking that away from you, but you run miles a day and obviously have a fast metabolism. "I only eat 65-70g of protein a day". *High-five*. "I don't even eat meat". *High-five*. "My diet consists of almost strictly carbs". *High-five*. There's no way I could be even close to as shredded as you if I didn't eliminate carbs almost completely. If it works for you then fine, do what you have to do. However, don't make a thread based on ridiculously generalized comments. Just so you are aware, what works for you might just not work for everyone else.
    I have to say, this is probably the smartest thing I've read all day. Walken1 I would be willing to wager you that if you did eat meat you would be a hell of a lot bigger, and probably still (or just about) as cut. Also, saying that "fat is the enemy" is probably the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. For your information fat is extremely anabolic, and eating the right kinds will help your body immensely. [edited out by Blood&Iron]
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    Well, as usual, an attempt at intelligent debate leads to insults here at WBB. Nice.
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    Originally posted by MarshallPenn
    Well, as usual, an attempt at intelligent debate leads to insults here at WBB. Nice.
    I almost forgot I am a moderator. I have edited a number of posts, which perhaps should've been deleted entirely(But I felt they had some valid points of contention, so I was a bit lenient.) This is a reminder to everyone: keep things civil and limit your criticisms to others' ideas. Personal insults are unacceptable here at WBB.
    Last edited by Blood&Iron; 05-31-2002 at 03:41 PM.

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    Originally posted by MarshallPenn
    Well, as usual, an attempt at intelligent debate leads to insults here at WBB. Nice.
    There's no need for a debate on this one. I can see from the pics that walken1 is a ripped mofo, no argument there. I just think he should refrain from running his mouth and making bogus generalizations.

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    damn right vido, quality point put forward
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    Bryan and Lyle have made references to studies that said you need atleast 1g/lb of LBM and as an insurance probably, you could go upto 1g/lb.
    I just stumbled upon this referenced article written by Will Brink on protein requirements.

    http://www.dolfzine.com/page218.htm

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