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The Five Biggest Contradictions in Fitness

It’s no secret that when people contradict themselves, it has the effect of making the flaws in their actions or statements seem glaringly obvious. But what about when WE ourselves get caught contradicting ourselves by someone else?

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    Hi all,

    I have read a few things on here, but I wanted to ask specifically about my situation.

    I am currently 6ft1, and weigh 150kg. I'm a 40-42" waist, 50" chest. Most of my weight is my belly and man-tits, thats what I am most insecure about. I have very big muscular legs, not really much fat on them except on the inner thigh? Very strange to me.

    I've been going to the gym for about 2 months now, and although everyone says I look thinner, and my clothes fit A LOT better, I haven't really lost much weight. I aim to body build, not powerlift. I'm doing this for fitness and to look (and feel) better.

    I started doing 30 minutes cardio, and 30 minutes weights, but quickly built that up to 50 minutes cardio and 30 minutes weights.

    This is my gym routine;
    10 minutes on rower - usually achieve 2100 - 2200 metres.
    10 minutes cycling
    10 minutes again on rower, although usually only get about 2050-2100 metres.
    20 minutes on cross trainer

    Then weights (i stick to the machines mainly)
    leg press 2x10 reps of 260kg
    leg curl, 3x15 reps of 70kg
    leg extension 3x15 reps of 50kg
    Bench press 70kg, 3x15 reps (thats on the machine, when using free weights I can only manage 3 or 4 sets of 5 reps).
    Shoulder press 2x15 40kg
    And then this other machine, unsure of its name. It works the lat dorsi and biceps, sat upright pulling a bar down from above head in front of your chest
    I do 3x15 reps of 130kg on that
    EDIT: I just googled that last machine, I believe it is a Lat Pull Down

    And some sit ups to finish off.

    So, my questions to you are;
    1. Am I going about this the right way?
    2. What can I improve?
    3. Why am I looking as if i've lost weight, but the scales say I haven't?

    Lastly, I am trying to lose a lot of weight, and also build muscle. I want to look more normal, I want to be big and strong, but not fat.

    So, should I be going all out cardio to lose all the weight, and then start building muscle? Or can I carry on as I am doing both at the same time?


    As you can all see, I'm very confused and although i've done a lot of reading, I don't feel I know as much as I should. Most articles don't seem to be aimed at big guys like me.

    EDIT: Also, I'm very interested in taking up boxing or similar. Do you think this will help me achieve my goals?
    Last edited by Big Dan; 05-09-2012 at 09:42 AM.

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    I don't think cardio is worth much. Especially someone at your size. It burns minimal calories and only while you do the activity. Far too many people over eat what they burned because it spikes their hunger. I think a better approach would be metabolic weight training. This would burn calories and also increase your metabolism. You could try complexes... something like:

    Dead lift 3 x 10-12
    pushups 3 x 20
    bulgarian split squats 3x10-12
    one arm dumbell row 3x10-12

    Do these non stop, one right after another. If you're at a busy gym, you may have to snag a couple dumbells and keep them near your bench and barbell for deadlifts. After all that, rest 60 seconds, and repeat until youve done everything 3 times.

    Try that and I can guarantee youll feel way more than you ever did on a treadmill. Still, after you're done, feel free to jump on one... but I suspect youll be wiped out if you did it properly. Feel free to change movements around as long as they emphasize total body musculature.

    Above all else.. nothing will matter unless your diet is set up correctly. So if youre not losing, youre doing something wrong here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Big Dan View Post
    I am currently 6ft1, and weigh 150kg. I'm a 40-42" waist, Most of my weight is my belly
    At a weight of 330 lbs., height of 73 inches, and a waist of 40 inches, I would suspect you have a bf% of less than 10%.

    Using this calculator, if we use 40" for your waist and assume that your iliac is 38" (it is going to be less than your waist) and your hips are 44", your bf% comes out to be 7%!!!!!

    http://www.weightrainer.net/circbf.html

    Even if we change your waist to 42", your iliac to 40", and your hips to 46", you still only have 12.3% bodyfat.

    Even if we say that the calculaotor isn't 100% accurate, you are still going to be in very good condition if it is off by 5%. Especially if your waist is 40".

    You don't need to lose weight. You are a beast!!!!!!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by r2473 View Post
    At a weight of 330 lbs., height of 73 inches, and a waist of 40 inches, I would suspect you have a bf% of less than 10%.

    Using this calculator, if we use 40" for your waist and assume that your iliac is 38" (it is going to be less than your waist) and your hips are 44", your bf% comes out to be 7%!!!!!

    http://www.weightrainer.net/circbf.html

    Even if we change your waist to 42", your iliac to 40", and your hips to 46", you still only have 12.3% bodyfat.

    Even if we say that the calculaotor isn't 100% accurate, you are still going to be in very good condition if it is off by 5%. Especially if your waist is 40".

    You don't need to lose weight. You are a beast!!!!!!!!!
    At 7% bf, hed have over 300 lbs of lbm. Hed be stepping on stage next to jay cutler. The fact that he said he carries a lot in his gut and said he has man tits means this is clearly not the case. Somethings off. Otherwise pics plz.
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    Lol, I'm DEFINATELY not a professional body builder lmao.

    I've just took a few pics to show. Not done anything this embarrassing in a while!!

    http://i.imgur.com/2kCf8.jpg
    http://i.imgur.com/67cah.jpg
    http://i.imgur.com/0VKz1.jpg

    I've been recording all my food for the past 4 weeks if anyone is interested enough to look at that! lol


    Thank you for the help and interest so far gents

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    Quote Originally Posted by r2473 View Post
    At a weight of 330 lbs., height of 73 inches, and a waist of 40 inches, I would suspect you have a bf% of less than 10%.

    Using this calculator, if we use 40" for your waist and assume that your iliac is 38" (it is going to be less than your waist) and your hips are 44", your bf% comes out to be 7%!!!!!

    http://www.weightrainer.net/circbf.html

    Even if we change your waist to 42", your iliac to 40", and your hips to 46", you still only have 12.3% bodyfat.

    Even if we say that the calculaotor isn't 100% accurate, you are still going to be in very good condition if it is off by 5%. Especially if your waist is 40".

    You don't need to lose weight. You are a beast!!!!!!!!!

    Those types of calculators tend to be way off..especially if someone is very overweight or exceptionally muscular. They only provide estimates which can be far off the mark if someone falls into certain categories like the two above.

    I don't get the snarky remarks based on an unreliable method of measuring bodyfat.

    To the OP.

    To lose weight you must eat less. All the workouts and cardio in the world will not do much good if you are overeating. Don't go to extremes and only eat 1000 calories a day (as this will cause muscle loss as well as fat). But it is good that you are recording your food intake, that is a necessary first step.

    To answer your questions.

    1. Not really. I'd work into complexes as said above.

    2. See diet and training advice above.

    3. You may be losing fat but gaining muscle. Since muscle is denser than fat (it looks smaller) it can look if you have lost weight...but weight the same. In any event trust the mirror more than the scales.

    One caveat to all the above. If you ARE losing bodyfat though...keep on doing what you are doing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Big Dan View Post
    Lol, I'm DEFINATELY not a professional body builder lmao.

    I've just took a few pics to show. Not done anything this embarrassing in a while!!

    http://i.imgur.com/2kCf8.jpg
    http://i.imgur.com/67cah.jpg
    http://i.imgur.com/0VKz1.jpg

    I've been recording all my food for the past 4 weeks if anyone is interested enough to look at that! lol


    Thank you for the help and interest so far gents
    Hopefully r2473 was being sarcastic..otherwise he will feel silly
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    Quote Originally Posted by Big Dan View Post
    I've been recording all my food for the past 4 weeks if anyone is interested enough to look at that! lol


    Thank you for the help and interest so far gents
    Why dont you post it for us? Besides your workout, this could be an issue.
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    Hi again, here is my food record of the last 4 weeks. Yes, there are a few treat days, but its a hell of a lot less than I used to eat (at times I could have eaten 3 or 4 take aways a week :/


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    Week 1 - 9th to 15th April
    Monday
    Branflakes
    Cheese sandwich (brown bread)
    Walkers crisps (120 kcal)
    Choc easter lolly 35g
    Beans on toast
    4x choc biscuits (97kcal each)

    Tuesday
    Red bull
    Orange yoghurt
    Tiny choc egg
    Egg mayo sandwich + Walkers crisps 120kcal
    9" pizza 840 kcal
    Low fat lemon mousse

    Wednesday
    Red bull
    Corner yoghurt
    Cheese sandwich (2x brown bun)
    2 x walkers crisps (120 each)
    Tin baked beans with 2 brown rolls

    Thursday
    Branflakes
    Turkey sandwich (2x brown bun)
    Walkers crisps 120 kcal
    Cheese+jam sandwich 2xbrown bun
    Slim fast shake (300 kcal)

    Friday
    Branflakes
    Turkey sandwich 2x brown baps
    Walkers crisps 120 kcal
    1 hashbrown

    Saturday
    Sausage butty 2 sausage, brown brd
    Scrambled egg on toast
    Banoffee yoghurt (163 kcal)
    Chicken sandwich, brown
    1 toast brown
    *** got stoned *** Doritos, dip, some chocolate, some biscuits

    Sunday
    Chicken sandwich
    700 kcals leftover chocolate
    Ham baguette
    Yoghurt (200 kcal)

    ----------------------------------------

    Week 2 - 16th-22nd April

    Monday
    Strawberry corner yoghurt
    Ham baguette
    Scrambled egg on toast
    Corner yoghurt

    Tuesday
    Branflakes
    Ham baguette
    Pasta bolognese

    Wednesday
    Strawberry corner yoghurt
    Chk tikka brown roll (canteen)
    Steaks (4 small thin ones)

    Thursday
    Strawberry amore yoghurt
    Small bowl pasta bolognese
    Bagel
    Cherry corner yoghurt
    2 small fillet steaks
    Strawberry amore yoghurt
    Strawberry sundae thing 188 kcals

    Friday
    2 bagels
    Steak 250g, beans, 2 bread

    Saturday
    Bagel
    Tin of beans, 2 bread
    3 chicken breast
    1/3 cheesecake (bout 800 kcals!! Not worth it at all)

    Sunday
    2 bagels
    500ml pure apple juice
    Chicken pasta (735 kcal)
    Maltesers 187 kcal
    3 chk breast, brown roll

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    Week 3 - 23rd-29th April

    Monday
    2 bagels
    2 chicken breasts with baked beans
    Scrambled egg on toast

    Tuesday
    Scrambled egg on toast
    Jam + cheese sandwich
    1/2 egg cress sandwich 140 kcal
    Banana
    1/2 ham baguette

    Wednesday
    1 bread 1 slice ham
    Breakfast triple (595 kcal)
    2 weight watchers yog (210 kcal)
    Pasta+4meatballs,3slice garlic brd

    Thursday
    2 brown toast
    Branflakes
    Pasta and 4 meatballs
    2 chicken sandwich rolls

    Friday
    2 toast
    Chicken tikka sandwich
    9" garlic bread cheese
    9" thin meat feast pizza
    Donner in pitta
    Dominos cookies
    Half tub ben+jerrys

    Saturday
    Ham roll
    Ham roll
    Cheese roll
    2 toast
    500ml tub of ben and jerrys (1150)

    Sunday
    Scrambled egg on toast
    Beans+ sausage on toast
    Ham and crisp sandwich

    Week 4 - 30th April - 6th May
    Monday
    3 toast
    Chicken pasta (700 kcal)
    Yorkie bar
    Milky bar buttons (165 kcal)
    Sausage beans on toast

    Tuesday
    Strawberry corner yoghurt
    2 hash brown
    Bagel
    Egg and cheese brown roll canteen
    Sausage mash beans

    Wednesday
    2 corner yoghurts
    Coronation chicken brown roll
    Ham sandwich
    4 toast

    Thursday
    1 toast
    Chicken pasta 700 kcal
    bacon cheese burger
    Chips
    Strongbow
    Choc brownie mcflurry

    Friday
    Half bowl cereal
    Chk pasta 700 kcal
    2x red bull (113 kcal each)
    4 white rolls
    2 chk breast
    Baked beans
    5 biscuits 131 kcal each

    Saturday
    Scrambled egg (4) and 2 rolls
    1 chk breast with baked beans
    Tomato soup 2 small rolls
    Pack of maryland cookies

    Sunday
    Bagel
    Chicken pasta 700 kcal
    Chicken/donner kebab
    9" garlic bread w/ cheese


    ----------------------------------------

    And I'm on week 5 now. Thanks again for the help gents

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    Your diet looks pretty damn low in Calories..especially for someone your size. People might think you're in "starvation mode" but still, youd drop significant weight before anything slowed down too much...especially someone at your weight. Personally, I don't think the whole calories in vs calories out works for everyone..even though it should. I dont know why. Maybe its a counting issue. Maybe its metabolic changes.. whatever the case. But I can say this: By adding more protein to your diet and replacing some of those carbs like pasta and bagels with green veggies like green beans, youll probably see better results along with the complexes from above. Personally, I think you need more protein.

    Out of curiosity, have you lost more weight within this recorded 4 weeks? If so, leave it alone.
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    Thats whats strange, causing my confusion. My clothes felt better, have had to cut a new hole in my belt, and a t-shirt that hadn't fit in over a year now fits.

    But weight has stayed, pretty much exactly the same... Meh, I dunno. I'm 150kg now, I'll weigh myself again on June 1st and see what happens :S

    Thanks for your help everyone. I'll post back in a month

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    Good idea. As song said, you may just be replacing fat with muscle so that could explain that. If you stop losing, try what I mentioned. At your weight, simply making small changes should work. Also, keep in mind, people over 300 lbs often have to lose like 50 lbs to really see a difference. Ever see biggest loser? But if clothes are fitting better and people are saying youre looking thinner, you must be doing something right. If you havent lost another 4 lbs or so in a couple weeks from now, you need to re-evaluate things though in my opinion. You should be able to lose fat at a rate that goes beyond muscle gains.
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    Yeah Rich, thats what I was thinking. I can't see myself building up muscle as fast as losing weight - but who knows.
    I've noticed (something i'm extremely pleased about) my traps have built substantially, and legs have really toned up.

    Now just want to beef up chest and arms, try and develop better shape and stature!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Songsangnim View Post
    Those types of calculators tend to be way off..especially if someone is very overweight or exceptionally muscular. They only provide estimates which can be far off the mark if someone falls into certain categories like the two above.

    I don't get the snarky remarks based on an unreliable method of measuring bodyfat.
    The calculator is as accurate as your measurements. I am the same height as the OP. I got up to 260 lbs. and was just under 30% bodyfat. I confirmed this as being pretty darn accurate with a bod pod test.

    My point wasn't necessarily to be snarky. It was to suggest that the OP may not be measuring properly. Just hard to believe that a guy weighing 330 lbs. has a 40" waist. Mine was 45" or 46" as I recall when I weighed 260.

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    I agree with the others. Since you were completely untrained going into this it's likely you have just been losing some fat while adding a little bit of muscle. But looking at your diet it is incredibly strange you aren't dropping weight FAST. You need more protein in there, it will only help your body composition.
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    Exactly, thats what I was thinking. Hoping to lose 6 stone by Christmas!

    I'm thinking of subbing some of the carbs for protein shakes. Are they filling?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Big Dan View Post
    Exactly, thats what I was thinking. Hoping to lose 6 stone by Christmas!

    I'm thinking of subbing some of the carbs for protein shakes. Are they filling?
    Yea. Sometimes I find it easier to eat less by simply drinking a protein powder mixed with water before a meal. You usually end up eating less of the bad stuff.
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    A protein shake is quick and easy way to get protein to your muscles. If you drop a feel carb meals you need to do it drastically so its not a shock to your metabolism.

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    It is the natural thing that wherever the fats in the body always create a lot hindrance to make the muscles or any part of body turn into strong state so necessary thing to remove the fats by taking very intensive treatment to reduce the fats in order to produce the great power while taking gym.

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    Quote Originally Posted by r2473 View Post
    At a weight of 330 lbs., height of 73 inches, and a waist of 40 inches, I would suspect you have a bf% of less than 10%.

    Using this calculator, if we use 40" for your waist and assume that your iliac is 38" (it is going to be less than your waist) and your hips are 44", your bf% comes out to be 7%!!!!!

    http://www.weightrainer.net/circbf.html

    Even if we change your waist to 42", your iliac to 40", and your hips to 46", you still only have 12.3% bodyfat.

    Even if we say that the calculaotor isn't 100% accurate, you are still going to be in very good condition if it is off by 5%. Especially if your waist is 40".

    You don't need to lose weight. You are a beast!!!!!!!!!

    What the fuck are you on??

    Listen to Rich OP. He knows his stuff.

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    Cheers mate

    Yeah, I've been wary of taking lots of advice as there are those on here that seem to know fuck all and presume everything.

    I agree though, Rich does seem to know his stuff! Thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by Big Dan View Post
    I agree though, Rich does seem to know his stuff!
    He does. Really.

    Congrats on the progress. Keep at it.
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    I can definitely help. Forget weight loss products/supplements. What you need is a clean diet, a good workout routine and hard work and dedication. That's what it's going to take.

    You need to start eating more lean protein like chicken and fish along with lots of green veggies. This should be the main staple in your diet. Stay away from junk and processed food. Drink plenty of water and no soda or fruit juice.

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