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The Five Biggest Contradictions in Fitness

It’s no secret that when people contradict themselves, it has the effect of making the flaws in their actions or statements seem glaringly obvious. But what about when WE ourselves get caught contradicting ourselves by someone else?

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    Can someone recommend a high cal/protein diet? BW down 15 lbs in 2 weeks.

    I know there's probably 10,000 posts regarding this, but nothing I've tried is working, and I'm really desperate for help. I was 165 lbs two weeks ago at this time, now I'm down to 150... Gomad worked a while ago, bako shakes are helping in the very short run, but its all getting crapped away within a few hours of drinking it. Added up, I'm eating close to 4,000 cals a day with ~200 grams of protein. I'm not sick, haven't thrown up, only drank alcohol once in the past two weeks. I started up a gallon of milk a day again today, so I'm just looking for additional food items I could eat. My (relativity) short term goal is to weigh 185, long term maybe 230, but this isn't even about my goal, Its literally sickening for me that I lost 15lbs while I'm still attempting to bulk, and its shown in my lifts lately (today my squat was down 30 lbs from normal, bench down 20 lbs, rows down about 20 lbs. If i end up going down to 145 or less, I'm going to go to the doctor to get some blood work, but honestly I'm not having trouble stomaching the food, its just confusing me.
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    Are you weighing/measuring everything out?

    If you aren't, start doing so to see how much you are actually eating.

    Otherwise, spaghetti and meat sauce.

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    Nah, I need to pick up a new food scale, I'm pretty much eyeballing everything in the way of meat or averaging everything out. Besides meat, I do pretty much measure everything.

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    When I buy meat, I try to buy by the pound. Like 3.02, instead of things that are labeled 2.65 or something. This way I can separate it into 3 plastic bags and I know each time a cook what's in a bag its exactly 1 pound. Even if they aren't exactly a pound, after I eat them all my macros for the week will be correct.

    And always low ball your measurements when bulking. The cups I have in my kitchen are 18 oz sizes. I know two cups of milk needs to be poured up to about 2 inches from the top of the cup. But I always pour to the top, while still tracking the calories of two cups. I do this with most things.

    If.you do the opposite of this, (example drinking 14 oz of milk instead of 16) your calorie count could be off by like 4-600 calories, which makes a big difference.
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    could you post a sample day?
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    Kyle, if you haven't yet, check out Hormel's no beans Turkey Chili.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Bako Lifter View Post
    When I buy meat, I try to buy by the pound. Like 3.02, instead of things that are labeled 2.65 or something. This way I can separate it into 3 plastic bags and I know each time a cook what's in a bag its exactly 1 pound. Even if they aren't exactly a pound, after I eat them all my macros for the week will be correct.
    Exactly what I do. I buy a 3kg pack of hamburger from costco. Seperate into 6 even sized balls, and freeze. Then I know I have 6 500g balls that I can cook for whatever and know exactly what I'm adding in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RichMcGuire View Post
    could you post a sample day?
    Absolutely, I'll do that tomorrow, my diet got kinda messed up already today.

    Thanks for the good tip Bako, low balling everything would be a good idea so long as I end up hitting over my target

    Chevelle, I love that stuff, I have two or three cans sitting in my kitchen right now, haha.

    I also think it'd be worth it right now for me to get a membership to costco or sams club or something like that.
    I'll let you guys know how its going thanks again

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    I'll add my .02 just in case you want the "fun" alternative.

    I use to have a really hard time gaining weight, but I found the secret...McDonalds. Went from 175 to 193 over the course of a few months. 3-4 times a week and when drunk on weekends, it did wonders.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cards View Post
    I'll add my .02 just in case you want the "fun" alternative.

    I use to have a really hard time gaining weight, but I found the secret...McDonalds. Went from 175 to 193 over the course of a few months. 3-4 times a week and when drunk on weekends, it did wonders.

    100% serious
    Pretty legit. I was surprised to see that their burgers actually have a decent amount of protein. Thanks for the .02!

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    Lots of trans fat, only thing I don't like about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bako Lifter View Post
    Lots of trans fat, only thing I don't like about it.
    Definitely, it's not he healthiest way to gain weight and you (I) certainly put on fat, but it's for such a short period of time (in the scheme of things) that I would assume the damage is minimal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bako Lifter View Post
    Lots of trans fat, only thing I don't like about it.
    Yeah and I'm desperate to get back to where I was in terms of weight, I don't mind if I put on some chub

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    Midnight weight: 150.2
    2AM
    2 Mcdonalds Double Cheeseburgers 880 cals 84g carbs 50g protein

    Breakfast
    1/4th lb pasta 420 cals 82g carbs 14g protein
    1/4th lb chicken breast 250 cals 0g carbs 25g protein
    Shredded cheese 150 cals ?g carbs 6g protein
    Pasta sauce 150 cals 2g carbs 0g protein
    Mtn Dew 170 cals 42g carbs 0g protein

    Snack
    Hormel Chili no beans 440 cals 36g carbs 32g protein
    4 cookies 200 cals 30g carbs 2g protein

    Dinner
    1/2 lb chicken breast 250 cals 0 carbs 50g protein

    Dinner round 2
    2 McDonalds Double Cheeseburgers 880 cals 84g carbs 50g protein
    Mountain Dew 170 cals 42g carbs 0g protein

    Totals: 3960 cals, 402g carbs, 229g protein

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    Ah theres your problem. You need to have large fries whenever you have Mcdonalds!
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    Haha, yesterday was kinda dirty in the way of dieting, I never eat McD's twice in a day for example..

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    I went through a phase where I was eating low carb. Would regularly get double cheeseburgers from mcd's with only a little mustard and throw out the buns.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rileigh View Post
    I went through a phase where I was eating low carb. Would regularly get double cheeseburgers from mcd's with only a little mustard and throw out the buns.
    Its just so convienant right

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    Are you sure you're not ill? I have a real hard time believing you take in 4000 calories and LOST 15 pounds. Especially in two weeks. That is a lot of weight loss in a very short time. Especially at 150/165.
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    Quote Originally Posted by K Y L E View Post
    Its just so convienant right
    And cheap

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    Quote Originally Posted by Altephor View Post
    Are you sure you're not ill? I have a real hard time believing you take in 4000 calories and LOST 15 pounds. Especially in two weeks. That is a lot of weight loss in a very short time. Especially at 150/165.
    Honestly, I pushed myself kinda hard to get these 4000 cals. I attribute the weight loss to starting smoking after stopping for four months. I haven't smoked in 3 days since I realized that starting smoking again could have been the reason for the rapid weight loss/lack of intensity in the gym. I'm back up to 155.4 (night time weight) and I haven't eaten that much today. I'm still looking for more food ideas that I can put into my diet though. I'm really open to anything. My intensity at the gym however has gone back up to normal. With no food pre workout, my max squat was only down 5 lbs. if I had a good supply of carbs/cals pre workout I could have probably tied, if not, set a new pr.

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    I'm willing to believe that you don't take in 4000 cals.
    I know that you do some days but most you don't. This is a well known fact.

    I used to be the same. But then I was prescribed Mirtazapine and since I'm trying to lose weight
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    I know patricky, I know. I was just freightened when i saw my energy go down and my weight go down even more. Generally to keep my bodyweight i need 2500 cals which is a normal day for me, i just need some variety in my diet because eventually chicken gets even more tasteless for me no matter how i cook it.

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    I hate chicken, ew ew ew.

    I do salmon, tilapia, cat fish, sword fish, sea bass, red grouper, shrimp, scallops, pork chops, strip steak, sirlion steak, veal, etc.

    Anything, I repeat....anything other than chicken. Also pizza, pizza is a great bulking food...or chinese, PHO soup, vietnamies, thai, sushi, etc.
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    so basically, for a good bulk my best bet is to stay out of the center aisles of the grocery store?

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