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    intermediate or advanced program?

    Background: I have been lifting consistently for about 4-5 years now. I did Rippetoes SS routine then a 5x5 I set up myself with an ungodly amount of volume (I actually responded pretty well).

    Then I did Layne Norton's hybrid routine and loved it but because of my new work schedule had to switch. I did a 5/3/1 then BACK to the 5x5....

    I recently hit new PRs in everything before getting sick and falling down a notch or two:

    SQUAT: 5 X 5 X 340
    OH PRESS 5 X 5 X 160
    BENCH 5 X 5 X 105LBS DBs
    DEADS 3 X 5 X 415

    AT: 198LBS at 12% BF

    I need a new routine because I can't stand my old 5x5 anymore and want to maybe do something new. I can't understand HTC12 no matter how many times I read it (lol maybe I'm just dumb) and now have a bias for high volume workouts.

    Am I intermediate still ? What kind of routine do ya think will work best? I JUST WANNA BE STRONG!!!
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    west side raw maybe. go to muscle and brawn.com their is some good routines on there as well.

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    First, if you have to ask, then you're a beginner. When you're advanced, you don't ask questions like that and you don't program hop.

    You had success on a program, yet you're not going to follow it???????????????????? That just seems retarded. If it works, why in God's name would you change it? When you feel you need a change, tweak it, don't go on a whole new program. You'll never learn how to train and ultimately, you'll stop making progress.

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    I only lift for "fun" now, nothing organized anymore. Plus I get program ADD after several months of the same thing. So its make a change or start draging ass.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sandcracker21 View Post
    I only lift for "fun" now, nothing organized anymore. Plus I get program ADD after several months of the same thing. So its make a change or start draging ass.
    If that's your attitude, then you'll always be a beginner. Follow a beginner program.


    Not trying to be an ass (though I am one), but if you get "program ADD" it means that results aren't your goal, you just do this for entertainment. If you do it for entertainment, then you're better off following simple programs with no real objectives.
    "Except Belial. He knows everything. This isn't a sarcastic attack, either. He really knows everything." -----Organichu
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    Well with my "no goals" attitude I have become one of the strongests guys at my guy with a close to 400lbs squat and 500lbs deadlift. Plus I just ran a 10k about a month ago (prob the biggest accomplishment since I've always been a terriable runner).

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    Sand on these forums DONT ask if you dont want the straight truth! They are telling you the blunt truth it hurts get over it! Now i would recommend westside or 5/3/1. If you plan on competing anytime in the next year or so i would go with westside. If your just lifting to lift and be strong do 5/3/1 and STICK with it change a few things every so often but use the main template as a guide. Just my 2cent

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    HATED 5/3/1 when I was on it. Thinking about madcows 5x5

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    Just do a lil research find something that you might like and STICK with it!

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    There's nothing wrong with lifting purely for recreational purposes. Everybody doesn't have to have huge goals to succeed.

    If you want to focus on strength try westside.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bako Lifter View Post
    There's nothing wrong with lifting purely for recreational purposes. Everybody doesn't have to have huge goals to succeed.

    If you want to focus on strength try westside.
    No, but he says he wants to be strong (caps for emphasis), then states he can't stick with a program for more than a few months. He also wants to know what works best, but again, doesn't want to stick with anything.

    So what's the point in giving advice, really? If you're switching every few months, try everything.

    OP- A 500 deadlift isn't bad at 200 pounds, but really man, you clearly have the desire to get stronger. You owe it to yourself to dedicate to a serious program. Eventually, the freaky weight you'll be moving will overcome any program ADD.
    "Except Belial. He knows everything. This isn't a sarcastic attack, either. He really knows everything." -----Organichu
    "Alex is all knowing and perfect"-----Jane (loosely paraphrased)
    -515/745/700 bench/deadlift/squat
    Current mile time: 4:23
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    Century races: 3
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    Ultramarathons: 1
    Current supps: http://www.atlargenutrition.com/prod...covery/results

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