I have a hard time coming close to it. Do I just have to down a lot of protein shakes? Fill me in on the secret. Eating that much is ridiculously expensive. Thanks
A big chicken breast and a large protein shake can amount to almost 100g itself haha. Just think efficiently. No need to overdose on one thing.
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1) you don't need 300 g of protein, 1 g per pound is more than enough.
2) I use shakes mostly, g per g they are the cheapest.
Why do you think you need over 300?
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Last edited by D-RAS03; 06-02-2012 at 07:44 AM.
1-2g per Body weight. I have always just ate what I wanted to weigh. So if your 175 and you want to weight 200. I'd eat just over 200g. But if your taking PH or AAS 2g per your current body weight is effective at packing on the Mass. Some will get fat from doing that. Just depends on your body type and how clean you eat..
Fish (fresh or Canned)
Protein Shakes 2-3 a day with at least 50g of Protein. Use Milk to add Calories and Protein.
frozen bags of chicken breasts from costco, one of those plus a serving or two of whole grain pasta and you are looking at 60-70g's of protein. Fairly cheap too. Shakes are definitely the easiest and most convenient way to get to a high protein total though
Wake up 6 Am , keep a bedside shake with 45 grams of protein.
8 Am break fast, 45 grams from eggs.
11:30 Am meal from some place ( like chipotle 80 grams )
3 Pm , pre workout ( Eat grilled fish , about 40 grams)
6 pm, post workout ( 45 grams from shake )
8 pm, dinner ( about 45 grams)
11 pm good night shake ( about 45 grams)
If you need to be this hungry, you will need to do Am cardio and pretty heavy PM workouts.
I eat over a pound of meat for lunch and sometimes dinner, just work up to it and its easily done. A pound of ground beef has 100-120g of protein. Before I could smash food like that I just filled in with protein shakes.
400(335) Bench Press
600(520x3 2xBW) Dead Lift
500(495x1) ATG Squat
365 Front Squat
consistency and intensity.
As for the backloading itself, it is not good if you are trying to lose weight.
This is the approach.
Do not have breakfast. Do coffee with heavy cream. If cannot do without breakfast, eat only protein and fats ( egg and cheese omlet )
Lunch is the same, no carbs. Usually a good protein salad or a protein shake. You would have got about 80-100 grams of protein by now.
Perform early evening workouts ( 3 to 5 pm). Then go crazy on carbs starting with the post workout shake( 40 grams each of carbs and protein). Eat whatever you can set your eyes on (Ice cream, burgers etc). I usually hit about 3000 calories per day with about 250 grams of protein. Doing it for about 2 months now and combined with HCT12, it's been really good so far.
On a different forum, some guy is posting his logs since last year day by day. It is very interesting and he is following it to the word. You will probably learn a lot from it. PM me for the link ?
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When I first heard about the approach, I thought I might be hungry the rest of the day. But truly, the food from the night before actually carries you through the day and you will have a really good amount of energy to carry out the workouts.
I think you're making it overly complicated. I skimmed some of the posts so maybe I missed it... but what is it exactly that you are trying to accomplish (gain or lose weight)?
Don't mess with carb cycling, front, or back loading until you've positively ascertained the amount of calories that you need to achieve whichever goal above it is that you have. From there you don't need an elaborate meal plan. Just have 1-20 meals per day that that amount of calories, eat sufficient protein (your bodyweight in pounds = grams of protein should be sufficient). Fill in the rest with pretty much whatever you want. Could you fine tune it and attempt to perfect every possible variable? Yeah. But it's not going to amount to anything if you can't manipulate your weight with precision by hitting the right calories.
Seriously. I eat 1-3 meals per day. My protein is 150-200g and 90% of the time purely from shakes. The rest of my calories are pretty much from whatever I please. Last night I went to the texas roadhouse and it was a caesar salad, sirloin steak, loaded baked potato, and bud light. Yes, you read that right. I'm dieting and meals like that are typical for me. I'm also rivaling the leanest I've ever been in my life and that includes diets past where I had elaborate carb cycling and dared not missed my predetermined daily macros by 3 or 4 grams!
Last edited by Behemoth; 06-07-2012 at 07:13 PM.
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At first the thread was made with me gaining weight but I achived it unnoticed. Didn't step on a scale for a while. But now I'm cutting. I'm 208 and need to drop to 170. So the thread got changed in the middle so people are probely getting confused. One thing says 300grams and now it's 170ish.
300 is a little bit high but when I was bulking strong I used to get a half chicken meal at boston marker for 7$. It came to 128 grams of protein and a little over a thousand calories including the sides.
Interesting post, behemoth..especially when so many are so religious about macros, avoiding sugars and everything else. I wonder why everyone is so crazy about all the macros when you can have just as much success not worrying about it and just hitting the right calories. You take creatine or any other supplements besides protein while cutting?
u can stock up on chicked breast & tuna then have 3 servings of protein with milk and it could be achieved easily if u have the apetite which is nessecary for bodybuilders,good luck
www.dangerouslyhardcore.com for more information regarding backloading.
Last, i second Behemoth's post. I have only chosen to do backloading as its the least amount of hassle. I have 2 meals a day, dont really worry about protein and i get carbs 3-4 times per week on which i plan my nights where i go out for dinner. I have done the 6-8 meals per day, 2g/lb of BW for quite some time and results have been similar if not better with what i am doing now.
You don't "need" a lot for muscle growth, but I try to get 25% - 40% of my calories per day from protein. Why? Because if I don't get it from protein, I have to get it from fat or carb, and I only want 20-25% from fat and 40-50% from carb. So it just works out that way.
If I ran far and lifted weights on any given day, I may eat up to 3000 calories. 40% of 3000 is 1200 calories from protein, or 300 grams. It is very difficult for me to find that much protein, so on a high calorie day I probably would not get more than 25% of my calories from protein.
I sometimes eat 4-5 Fage unflavored yogurts a day. Each is 18 grams, so I can get 100 grams from 5 of them.