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    Time Travel

    Do you think time travel is possible. I think its not possible mainly because if it was we would have known it by now, someone could have gone back in time and told us. Plus it wouldn't be much fun.
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    Re: Time Travel

    Originally posted by RussianRocket
    Do you think time travel is possible. I think its not possible mainly because if it was we would have known it by now, someone could have gone back in time and told us. Plus it wouldn't be much fun.
    Just because we haven't figured something out yet doesn't mean it can't be done. However, I won't comment because I know very little about this subject.

    But, I was thinking the other day, you know how the light that we see from the stars is millions and even billions of years old right? So whatever happend to that galaxy happened billions of years ago and we can technically see it. So think about this, if we can go A LOT faster than the light that's travelling, wouldn't we be able to beat that light and actually travel back in time? Pretty cool eh?

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    its not possible, all that nonsense you see on tv is nonsense. time is time, theres no way you can ripple through time. you may be able to see the future if your chriogenically frozen. but minor brain damage does occur when your frozen, plus theres no technology to unfreeze you yet.

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    Originally posted by InferiorDesign
    its not possible, all that nonsense you see on tv is nonsense. time is time, theres no way you can ripple through time. you may be able to see the future if your chriogenically frozen. but minor brain damage does occur when your frozen, plus theres no technology to unfreeze you yet.
    I beg to disagree.

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    on what?

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    Like I said, once I go to university, I'll take something on this subject but I have little knowledge so far but I do know a little... I know that time "slows" down for those that are going faster. Scientists have put timers on earth and timers on jet planes going at ultra fast speeds. The timers at the ultra fast speeds seemed to have travelled less time than the timers on earth even though both of them were started at the same time. Perhaps Powerman can give us some incite to this.

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    Time travel is not possible because of Physics/Quanta. You need infinite mass (that we don't have) to travel at the speed of light. I could get into it a lot more, but it's complicated, I have a book right on my desk all about it. That doesn't mean that we can't travel somewhere near the speed of light if we use wormholes or the 4th dimension which I've read a little bit about, however my knoweldge on that subject is not sufficient.
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    Originally posted by seanilles
    Time travel is not possible because of Physics/Quanta.

    Depends on your definition of time travel. You're moving through time as we speak. If you're referring to non-continuous time travel, it becomes difficult, but not technically impossible, depending on the direction you're trying to go. Going into the future would be much easier than going into the past.

    You need infinite mass (that we don't have) to travel at the speed of light.

    Not so much an infinite mass as much as an infinite energy (which, for all intents and purposes would act as infinite mass). This is true to travel *at* the speed of light. Physics doesn't rule out traveling asymptotically close to light speed *on either side* of that limit.

    Not to mention the fact that we don't even know why c is a limiting variable.

    I could get into it a lot more, but it's complicated, I have a book right on my desk all about it. That doesn't mean that we can't travel somewhere near the speed of light if we use wormholes or the 4th dimension which I've read a little bit about, however my knoweldge on that subject is not sufficient.

    Wormholes would be a form of FTL travel, not just near light speed. Same for any other form of multi-dimensional transit. Due to what Eric said above, regarding c as a fundamental property of nature, those pathways would also lead to cross-time travel. Unfortunately, they would be limited to a self-contained zone; in other words, you couldn't travel back before the wormhole was created.

    The only ways I've seen in which feasible back-time travel was possible was via a Tipler cylinder or a pair of cosmic strings. Both of which I should add are near impossible from engineering or natural standpoints.
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    Originally posted by Mystic Eric
    Like I said, once I go to university, I'll take something on this subject but I have little knowledge so far but I do know a little... I know that time "slows" down for those that are going faster. Scientists have put timers on earth and timers on jet planes going at ultra fast speeds. The timers at the ultra fast speeds seemed to have travelled less time than the timers on earth even though both of them were started at the same time. Perhaps Powerman can give us some incite to this.
    Its the time dilation effect. As an object acquires energy, it also creates a greater "drag" on local space-time; this is often referred to as "gaining mass," though the effect doesn't actually change the object but rather its influence via gravitation on local surroundings.

    There's a lot of speculation as to what causes this, but I'll leave that out for the moment. Lets just use Einstein's mass-energy equivelance equation as the cause for now.

    This effect has been speculated ever since Einstein first postulated General Relativity, and has been repeatedly quantified in high-altitude aircraft tests, including space shuttle launches. Granted the effect is limited to microseconds, but its still measurable. Those flights are dealing with very small fractions of light speed. As the velocity increases, so will the effect. I've got the exact equation somewhere.
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    Didn't Albert Einstein prove that time-travel was impossible?

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    I believe it may be possible through the multiuniversal theory... if its correct. we dont know anyway

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    As man continues to evolve I believe time travel will eventually become common.

    I used to believe time was the most powerful thing in the universe but after some internal debate I believe "Thought" is more powerful. Flying at one point was rediculed as impossible, but when enough brilliant minds decide to do something it generally gets done. To say something is impossible is foolish. How many history text do we have to read of people saying the exact same thing in the past about events that we take for granted today before we realize at some point what we consider impossible will be commonplace.
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    Ps. I'm sure the physics textbooks prior to flight also said that was impossible and had tons of nice little formulae and theories.
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    TIME TRAVEL IS POSSIBLE, I'VE DONE IT!!!!

    LAST NIGHT I WENT TO SLEEP AT ABOUT MIDNIGHT AND WOKE UP AT 10 A.M. THIS MORNING, THAT'S 10 HOURS OF TIME I CAN'T ACCOUNT FOR!!!!


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    Homer simpson traveled through time.
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    I don't remember where I saw this, but I think it was a Hawking video...there was an analogy of the fabric of space-time to ants on a picnic cloth. They move from square to square, unable to see what is ahead or what they left behind, but the squares on the cloth are already all laid out and still exist, regardless of whether the ant is on it or not.
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    Unfortunately its quite a bit more complicated than that....the basic gist of Einsteinian physics was that space and time are fundamentally interrelated.

    You bend space, you bend time. This is essentially what I explained above-- as an interesting fact, Einstein and his mentor Minkowski developed this theory based on the work of a German mathmatician named Riemann, who originated the idea of the "multiply-connected space," which was later called the "wormhole." Riemann also developed the space-time metric, which is a high-order matrix that defines the "field" of space-time- remember, when General Relativity was being developed, they were working within the confines of classical field theory, trying to describe gravitation as a field force; as such, they were drawing heavily into earlier work such as Maxwell's electromagnetic equations.

    At any rate, even GR is a simplistic and incomplete picture of the universe. Special Relativity was drawn up to help out, but it still didn't solve everything. Quantum Mechanics really put a damper on the efforts of classical physicists to describe the universe as neat field-forces.

    Step ahead to the current thinking-- awhile back, superstring theory was (really, still is in a sense) the "big thing." It attempted to reconcile the space-time "field" of gravitation with the wave-particle nature of the other three forces, with some measure of success. Superstring describes the universe as a 10-dimensional entity, with wave-particle phenomena being the "resonations" of Planck-scale "strings," and force-interactions being "harmonies" of those strings as defined by the structure of folded dimensionalities. M-theory, the newest incarnation, takes it a step further by adding a few more dimensions and describing things in terms of multi-dimensional membranes instead of strings. Our entire universe would be a 4-brane (4-dimensional membrane) wrapped around the surface of a "sphere" of n-dimensions.

    Where is this going? Well, basically I'm showing that while we're making progress, we still don't have clue #1 about how the universe operates, about time, or about whether or not time even exists. I've recently begun hearing more and more theories over the past few years that make time travel seem more and more likely, if not practical, but due to our lack of clue #1 and serious lack of engineering skills, most of them are centuries off.
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    Hey Eric, you go ahead and go to University and learn from a bunch of people who dont know.


    If anyone develops time travel, he will do it alone in his garage because nobody will believe him, even universities wouldnt give hima grant. Eric, if you are to develop time travel, prepare to lose some friends.


    Then get lost back in 1862, and die from the flu.
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