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The Five Biggest Contradictions in Fitness

It’s no secret that when people contradict themselves, it has the effect of making the flaws in their actions or statements seem glaringly obvious. But what about when WE ourselves get caught contradicting ourselves by someone else?

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    Anthos/CrossFit Debacle

    I quit posting on the crossfit board a while ago because I got sick of all the cool aid drinkers on there who take personal offense to saying things like grains aren't all that is evil but this whole Anthos deal has been interesting to say the least. From the looks of it Laura Glassman seems to be out for blood and while I wouldn't care if it only hurt Greg's wallet, I would hate for this to impact my friends businesses.
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    Haven't really paid attention to it. Can you give me a run down?

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    Greg Glassmans ex wife is looking to sell her 50% stake to Anthos, a venture capital company. There is a lot of BS to sift through and it is pretty impossible to know who is being sincere but it looks like Greg and others offered her more than the $20 million Anthos is offering but she is turning them down because she wants to be vengeful (who knows what happened with their divorce).

    The reason people are upset is there is worry that Anthos will want to change the affiliate agreement to make it more like a franchise and push certain supplements and other products at the different boxes. Essentially they want to squeeze more profit out of the crossfit name like a VC firm would typically do. Now granted this POV is from current crossfit staff so who knows the real deal.
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    Hmmmm. I've got a lot of mixed feelings about anything associated with CFHQ, so anything I say would probably be tainted by my opinion of them.

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    Yeah I am not a huge CFHQ fan so I wouldn't mind seeing them get knocked down a peg, I just don't want it to impact my friends that are affiliates.
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    I'm having mixed feelings towards crossfit as a whole as well, I don't even like reading their forums anymore. Now that the games are over I'm less excited about all of it. This could push me out all together depending how it plays out. I saw a video of Austin malleolo teaching farris (our USA representative for weightlifting) a kipping pull up and trying to teach him about power. Idk why but it just kind of pissed me off.. Crossfit trying to teach power to an olympian...

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    The biggest thing that pisses me off about HQ is that they constantly bitch and moan about quality and quality control, but then continue to churn out Level 1 Certifications to any dumbass with the money.

    I'm not so sure it would be a bad thing for affiliates to lose their title. The good affiliates, that weren't willing to sell out, would rise to the top as strength and conditioning facilities. The rest, the majority, would fall to the wayside when they no longer have the name to hide behind.

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    Chubrock,

    They put people through a quality class. They do their part. If the individual does not take notes and strive to learn then shame on them. That is not a reflection of the class HQ is offering.


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    My position is I 100% back Mr. Glassman and his crew. I have met many of them and found them to be a great bunch. I like the affiliate program as it currently exists and agree with it. I am NOT for some equity firm getting 50% ownership of CF and therefore major decision making power.


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    Quote Originally Posted by chris mason View Post
    Chubrock,

    They put people through a quality class. They do their part. If the individual does not take notes and strive to learn then shame on them. That is not a reflection of the class HQ is offering.

    I've never said the class was bad. In fact, it likely is a very good class. What irritates me is the assertion made by HQ that the class, alone, makes someone a suitable coach and that a lack of CF Certification somehow represents a potential danger. Certified does not equal qualified, though many seem to feel this way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chubrock View Post
    I've never said the class was bad. In fact, it likely is a very good class. What irritates me is the assertion made by HQ that the class, alone, makes someone a suitable coach and that a lack of CF Certification somehow represents a potential danger. Certified does not equal qualified, though many seem to feel this way.
    The run a business... They want a certain degree of homogenous presentation of their concepts at the gyms that carry their name hence they require a certification. It is a pretty sensible model.


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    Quote Originally Posted by chris mason View Post
    The run a business... They want a certain degree of homogenous presentation of their concepts at the gyms that carry their name hence they require a certification. It is a pretty sensible model.
    A business, and its model, should be able to stand on its own merit. If your position is strong enough, you can promote your strengths without resorting to gross hyperbole. Sadly there are those out there that are ignorant (of the subject) enough to believe some of the lines that HQ puts out from time to time.

    If the buyout occurs, IMHO, you'll see the better affiliates drop their names and stand as strength and conditioning facilities. The rest will attempt to ride out the money as long as possible before failing due to lack of quality instruction.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chubrock View Post
    The biggest thing that pisses me off about HQ is that they constantly bitch and moan about quality and quality control, but then continue to churn out Level 1 Certifications to any dumbass with the money.
    Agreed.

    Chris,
    No offense, but you aren't exactly impartial on any of this.
    A child does not learn to squat from the top down. In other words, he does not suddenly make a conscious decision one day to squat. Actually, he is squatting one day and make the conscious decision to stand. Squatting precedes standing in the developmental sequence. This is the way a child's brain learns to use the body as the child develops movement patterns. Therefore, a child is probably crawling, rocks back into a squatting position with the back completely relaxed and the hips completely flexed, and stands when he has enough hip strength. This approach makes a lot of sense and can be applied to relearning the deep squat movement if it is lost. -Gray Cook
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sensei View Post
    Agreed.

    Chris,
    No offense, but you aren't exactly impartial on any of this.
    No, but I know a LOT more than you do due to direct experience. I KNOW many of the people that put on the Level 1 certs. I will personally be going to one soon.


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    Quote Originally Posted by chris mason View Post
    No, but I know a LOT more than you do due to direct experience. I KNOW many of the people that put on the Level 1 certs. I will personally be going to one soon.
    Chris,

    The only point was that you are biased and your experience is working against you here. That's not a put down, just an observation. I know people that work with CF. I've worked w. people from CF. I've trained trainers from CF. In my experience, they were/are all very willing to learn and competent. I'm biased too, but not as invested as CFers or yourself - maybe that makes me more objective. Maybe not.

    Fwiw, I like a lot of things about CF - a lot of things. I've never met anyone from HQ, so I don't know them personally - I only have opinions formed by what they have said and done online. I don't think it's outrageous to say that they can come off as pretty defensive and unbending on some of the programming and quality issues. And there ARE programming and quality control issues - period. I don't know if it's better or worse than the general S&C/fitness trainer and gym populace, but among the general S&C/fitness trainer populace, they aren't doing AMRAP/'for time' OLs, plyos, gymnastic skills, or KB work either.

    JMO.
    A child does not learn to squat from the top down. In other words, he does not suddenly make a conscious decision one day to squat. Actually, he is squatting one day and make the conscious decision to stand. Squatting precedes standing in the developmental sequence. This is the way a child's brain learns to use the body as the child develops movement patterns. Therefore, a child is probably crawling, rocks back into a squatting position with the back completely relaxed and the hips completely flexed, and stands when he has enough hip strength. This approach makes a lot of sense and can be applied to relearning the deep squat movement if it is lost. -Gray Cook
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sensei View Post
    Chris,

    The only point was that you are biased and your experience is working against you here. That's not a put down, just an observation. I know people that work with CF. I've worked w. people from CF. I've trained trainers from CF. In my experience, they were/are all very willing to learn and competent. I'm biased too, but not as invested as CFers or yourself - maybe that makes me more objective. Maybe not.

    Fwiw, I like a lot of things about CF - a lot of things. I've never met anyone from HQ, so I don't know them personally - I only have opinions formed by what they have said and done online. I don't think it's outrageous to say that they can come off as pretty defensive and unbending on some of the programming and quality issues. And there ARE programming and quality control issues - period. I don't know if it's better or worse than the general S&C/fitness trainer and gym populace, but among the general S&C/fitness trainer populace, they aren't doing AMRAP/'for time' OLs, plyos, gymnastic skills, or KB work either.

    JMO.
    I'm not going to stick up for Chris because he does a great job sticking up for himself, but Chris has been helping out crossfitters getting stronger for a very long time. I've learned a lot from Chris and so have many others. The one thing I've noticed about Chris is that he stands behind what he believes in. He is a big supporter of CrossFit just like he is a big supporter of Westside.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sensei View Post
    Chris,

    The only point was that you are biased and your experience is working against you here. That's not a put down, just an observation. I know people that work with CF. I've worked w. people from CF. I've trained trainers from CF. In my experience, they were/are all very willing to learn and competent. I'm biased too, but not as invested as CFers or yourself - maybe that makes me more objective. Maybe not.

    Fwiw, I like a lot of things about CF - a lot of things. I've never met anyone from HQ, so I don't know them personally - I only have opinions formed by what they have said and done online. I don't think it's outrageous to say that they can come off as pretty defensive and unbending on some of the programming and quality issues. And there ARE programming and quality control issues - period. I don't know if it's better or worse than the general S&C/fitness trainer and gym populace, but among the general S&C/fitness trainer populace, they aren't doing AMRAP/'for time' OLs, plyos, gymnastic skills, or KB work either.

    JMO.
    Again, what business is perfect and has no sub-par trainers etc.??? NONE. So what is your point? The truth is that CrossFit has better quality control than most fitness related businesses. You, and others, are pointing out imperfection as though it only exists with CrossFit. Ok, CrossFit is not perfect. Gee, can you imagine?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Sensei View Post
    And there ARE programming and quality control issues - period. I don't know if it's better or worse than the general S&C/fitness trainer and gym populace, but among the general S&C/fitness trainer populace, they aren't doing AMRAP/'for time' OLs, plyos, gymnastic skills, or KB work either.

    JMO.
    They aren't?
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZMBw3o768s WFS
    That video is at DeFranco training. A pretty well known name in the strength and conditioning industry and a person who continuously provides clients with results. Just a basic fat bar complex which is including hang power cleans. Would you say that is a similar metabolic conditioning type complex you might see in CrossFit? I think we could agree his technique and range of motion leaves a lot to be desired as well but I'm not ready to start screaming quality control.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sensei View Post

    "The biggest thing that pisses me off about HQ is that they constantly bitch and moan about quality and quality control, but then continue to churn out Level 1 Certifications to any dumbass with the money."

    Agreed.

    Chris,
    No offense, but you aren't exactly impartial on any of this.
    This was your first statement.

    Exactly how that is not a concern or criticism escapes me. You AGREED with some pretty harsh language about CF.

    The bottom line to me on your opinion of CF is that it (your opinion) seems trite. It could be stated about ANY entity no matter how perfect as all business are imperfect by nature just as are the humans that run them.

    Now, as with Douglas, if I have been overly harsh with you I apologize. What I consider ridiculous bandwagon criticisms of CrossFit just irk me and get my ire up.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Chubrock View Post
    The biggest thing that pisses me off about HQ is that they constantly bitch and moan about quality and quality control, but then continue to churn out Level 1 Certifications to any dumbass with the money.
    If someone goes to a certification class and passes the written test, how are they a dumbass? Most people that open up a CrossFit box already have been doing CrossFit for a while before they get their certs and open up a box, so I don't understand what you are talking about. I think you are just regurgitating crap you read on the internut.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paulo_Santos View Post
    If someone goes to a certification class and passes the written test, how are they a dumbass? Most people that open up a CrossFit box already have been doing CrossFit for a while before they get their certs and open up a box, so I don't understand what you are talking about. I think you are just regurgitating crap you read on the internut.
    Just because someone passes a test, does not mean they are in a position to train others. Don't drink the kool-aid. Doing crossfit for a while, does not equate to being a good trainer and having the ability to program effective workouts for high level athletes and everyday Joes. I fyou look through the posts at the crossfit boards, there seems to be plenty of affiliates complaining about this same issue. Just like there are quality coaches that choose to learn the crossfit methodology, there are a lot of people using the crossfit name just to make a buck. As an aside, doing crossfit does not prepare you to coach, neither does a weekend cert. It is your dedication to learning about training and being able to apply it in the real world effectively and safely that does. JMHO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DoUgL@S View Post
    Just because someone passes a test, does not mean they are in a position to train others. Don't drink the kool-aid. Doing crossfit for a while, does not equate to being a good trainer and having the ability to program effective workouts for high level athletes and everyday Joes. I fyou look through the posts at the crossfit boards, there seems to be plenty of affiliates complaining about this same issue. Just like there are quality coaches that choose to learn the crossfit methodology, there are a lot of people using the crossfit name just to make a buck. As an aside, doing crossfit does not prepare you to coach, neither does a weekend cert. It is your dedication to learning about training and being able to apply it in the real world effectively and safely that does. JMHO.
    Sorry, I don't drink kool-aid. I've been crossfitting since January of 2010 and I have been doing my own programming since November of 2011. I can tell you that doing my own programming is not as easy as it looks and I'm finally getting the hang of it after a few months of trial and error. I'm going to the level 1 cert this weekend and I'm pretty confident I could train some people. There are already 2 of my co-workers following my programming with great results.

    As far as other CrossFit trainers, most of them are very good. The ones that suck won't last too long.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DoUgL@S View Post
    Just because someone passes a test, does not mean they are in a position to train others. Don't drink the kool-aid. Doing crossfit for a while, does not equate to being a good trainer and having the ability to program effective workouts for high level athletes and everyday Joes. I fyou look through the posts at the crossfit boards, there seems to be plenty of affiliates complaining about this same issue. Just like there are quality coaches that choose to learn the crossfit methodology, there are a lot of people using the crossfit name just to make a buck. As an aside, doing crossfit does not prepare you to coach, neither does a weekend cert. It is your dedication to learning about training and being able to apply it in the real world effectively and safely that does. JMHO.
    Your point makes no sense.

    First, I have met many, many CrossFit affiliate owners and trainers. I have also met many, many trainers in other gyms. The average CrossFit owner/trainer knows more about proper training than the average trainer in most gyms.

    Next, CrossFit requires a quality course in order to open an affiliate. They then offer many other courses for continuing education. They do a good job. Tell me a fitness company that does a better job?


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    Quote Originally Posted by chris mason View Post
    Your point makes no sense.

    First, I have met many, many CrossFit affiliate owners and trainers. I have also met many, many trainers in other gyms. The average CrossFit owner/trainer knows more about proper training than the average trainer in most gyms.

    Next, CrossFit requires a quality course in order to open an affiliate. They then offer many other courses for continuing education. They do a good job. Tell me a fitness company that does a better job?
    What exactly makes no sense. Maybe I rambled. A level 1 cert does not equate a good trainer, but there are good trainers with a level 1 cert. It is not the one weekend cert that guarantees that makes great trainers.

    To counter your point I have met many people a globo gyms that know more than some L1 certified crossfit coaches. You are fortunate to have been around quality crossfit coaches. I am sure most of them have much more knowledge and are using the cert as continuing education. There are still people with just the l1 cert as their only real education which are now "qualified" to coach. These are not mutually exclusive.

    I do not know of any other fitness company/chain that does a better job. I think crossfit is great, don't get me wrong. Most of the affiliates around me know their stuff.

    You have to admit though, that if I go take and pass the test, I probably will not be the best coach. I just don't have the background. Yet I could affiliate and run a "box". This needs to be addressed to make the community better.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paulo_Santos View Post
    If someone goes to a certification class and passes the written test, how are they a dumbass? Most people that open up a CrossFit box already have been doing CrossFit for a while before they get their certs and open up a box, so I don't understand what you are talking about. I think you are just regurgitating crap you read on the internut.
    Well, what qualifies as a competent trainer is a subjective thing, I guess... It's not uncommon to see box owners/trainers that have very little experience training themselves or others... For those, it's tough to say that attending a cert and passing a written test is adequate.
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