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The Five Biggest Contradictions in Fitness

Itís no secret that when people contradict themselves, it has the effect of making the flaws in their actions or statements seem glaringly obvious. But what about when WE ourselves get caught contradicting ourselves by someone else?

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    flat footed??

    What are the cons of squatting with a block under the heels as I`m quite flat footed and find myself leaning over too much as I lower when squatting. When I use a block, plate..whatever I can get my hands on, I can keep the natural curve in my back and feel a lot less strain in the erectors. Thanks
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    I'm flat footed and it seems more of an issue of ankle flexability. Personally I wouldn't use blocks unless you can't get a full ROM squat done otherwise.

    It's supposed to work your erectors! There is almost no muscle that isn't used during a squat. Think about it.

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    I didnt say i didnt want it to work the erectors I said it didn`t strain them as much when i use something under the heels . Too much strain on erectors is obviously not good. It`s almost like doing bloody good mornings if you lean over too far..you get me ?
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    Re: flat footed??

    Originally posted by Hellrazor
    What are the cons of squatting with a block under the heels as I`m quite flat footed and find myself leaning over too much as I lower when squatting. When I use a block, plate..whatever I can get my hands on, I can keep the natural curve in my back and feel a lot less strain in the erectors. Thanks
    The benifit is better stability and form.

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    im flat footed too... no probs there.

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    Ok, I definately think ankle flexibility is the reason for this not being flatfooted my apologies.

    Thank you breeze thats the answer I wanted to hear ..sort of . However I asked what are the cons ????? As in whats the downside of using a block, plate etc..anyone?

    I know Fudo said u cant get full rom when using a block ? why? I can still go deep so whats the problem except my heels are up slightly?
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    a block under the heals allows you to get away with less ankle suppleness.

    if you want to compte at powerlifitng i would not use it, as you can't squat like that in a comp.

    if you want to be strong(for sake of being strong, not powerlifting) or grow big, then there will be a slight difference on quad, ham, lower back emphasis, but nothing that would not allow you to reach your goals of being big and strong.
    my exprience - joined gym 10 years ago, 6 1/2 years hard weight training exprience.

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    Originally posted by Hellrazor

    Thank you breeze thats the answer I wanted to hear ..sort of . However I asked what are the cons ????? As in whats the downside of using a block, plate etc..anyone?
    Increased shearing force in the knee joint.

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    brilliant, thanks blood and iron...think I`ll give the block a miss.
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    Originally posted by Blood&Iron

    Increased shearing force in the knee joint.
    if you go backa year to craig james post on this. he was a phyisotheripist(sp) he said this would not cause any harm with a good explantion of it.

    so i would not worry about it. unless abd knees to start with, then squat can be bad what ever anlge your feet are at.

    the con has been discussed in fairly in depth. but not for ages.

    so have a good search for it.
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    Originally posted by Blood&Iron

    Increased shearing force in the knee joint.

    Wrong. the block under your feet will reduce the stress on the knees. I know this from personal experience.

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    erm.....okay then.
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    Originally posted by breeze



    Wrong. the block under your feet will reduce the stress on the knees. I know this from personal experience.
    No. Whether the increased shearing force results in injury over the long term is open to debate--though not one I'm interested in. I prefer to err on the side of caution. Using a block is merely a stop-gap measure for poor flexibility. Better to address the problem directly IMO, then try to work around it.

    We tend to think of Sisyphus as a tragic hero, condemned by the gods to shoulder his rock sweatily up the mountain, and again up the mountain, forever. The truth is that Sisyphus is in love with the rock. He cherishes every roughness and every ounce of it. He talks to it, sings to it. It has become the mysterious Other. He even dreams of it as he sleepwalks upward. Life is unimaginable without it, looming always above him like a huge gray moon. He doesnít realize that at any moment he is permitted to step aside, let the rock hurtle to the bottom, and go home.

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    Originally posted by breeze



    Wrong. the block under your feet will reduce the stress on the knees. I know this from personal experience.

    i agree to the point.

    but when i was at a gym with a block under my feet, i could do like 40 pounds more weight. so may have had more stress on my knees as a result of poundage over exercise?
    my exprience - joined gym 10 years ago, 6 1/2 years hard weight training exprience.

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