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The Five Biggest Contradictions in Fitness

Itís no secret that when people contradict themselves, it has the effect of making the flaws in their actions or statements seem glaringly obvious. But what about when WE ourselves get caught contradicting ourselves by someone else?

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    Big Thigh Giant Set

    Well, thought I might post a thigh routine I have used in the past that will pump you like a zepplin, and make your thighs grow like weeds!

    This is a giant set which consists of 3 exercises to be performed consecutively with no rest. The 3 exercises are squats, leg extensions, and leg presses. I think I first read about this in a Ellington Darden book. Casey Viator used a version of it with some incredible weights. Here it is.


    Leg Press:
    2-3 warmup sets
    1 set to failure x 12

    Leg Extension:
    1 set to failure x 10

    Squat (to parallel):
    1 set to failure x 12

    So, first you warmup on the leg press. Next, load up the leg press with a weight you can handle for about 9 reps. Crank out the 9 reps and then lockout your knees at the top of the 9th rep. Pause for a few seconds and take some deep breaths. Bang out another 2 reps and the pause again (breathing deeply) just long enough to allow for a completion of 1 more rep. Immediately hobble to the leg extension and have a pre-set weight which will allow you about 10 reps. When you fail on these, perform a few partial reps extending your legs as far as possible with each rep. By now your legs should be on fire! No rest, hobble to the loaded up squat rack and perform 12 reps to failure, using a weight which will necessitate at least 2 pauses to get the 12. This resistance will have to be far less than you would normally use, probably somewhere in the 50% range (half of what you can normally get for 12). When you are done, rack the weight with the help of a spotter, yes definitely have a spotter on hand for this routine, and then lay down on the floor in a spread-eagle position for a few minutes.

    This will probably be the most intense set you will ever do in the gym, so 1 should do the trick. If you are truly masochistic, and have a superior constitution, you may do it one more time.

    Give this a try and let me know what you think.
    Last edited by chris mason; 06-23-2002 at 07:59 PM.

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    Looks good.

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    That sounds painful as hell.
    Vin Diesel has a fever.. and the only prescription is more cowbell.

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    You should see my next program powerman . It's a HIT style routine and it's gonna be painful

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    It is, but you will feel like Tom Platz once your pulse rate drops back to human levels!

    Somebody is doing legs tomorrow, give it a shot and let us know what you think.
    Last edited by chris mason; 06-23-2002 at 08:41 PM.

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    Well I have legs tomorrow, but the leg press and squat rack are downstairs and the leg extension is upstairs. (I ******* hate my summer gym.)

    awww, too bad, I was looking forward to it, hehehe.
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    Looks interesting, most definitely. I've been having nice results with superset and breakdown methods recently; I'd imagine it'd be pretty damn effective.
    Vin Diesel has a fever.. and the only prescription is more cowbell.

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    lemme tell ya what, chris is insane, I think he recommends routines but would never try them himself, lol

    I might give it a try when I go back to school in august chris.
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    I'll try it on Wednesday.
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    Chris, how does this fit in with the rest of your leg workout?

    Are there any other squats or deadlifts in the same week?

    Thx.
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    I almost vomit when I take squats and leg presses to failure, I couldn't imagine doing those all without rest. I would definetly need a puke bucket...
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    Ya, like Hemants said, how does this fit into your overall leg routine?Is this giant set the only thing done for your legs?
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    Chris, I`m doing legs tomorrow, I`m going to try it and post the outcome in my journal..hehe Cant wait.
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    Originally posted by hemants
    Chris, how does this fit in with the rest of your leg workout?

    Are there any other squats or deadlifts in the same week?

    Thx.

    When I perform them, that is my leg workout. I do no more.

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    Originally posted by Hellrazor
    Chris, I`m doing legs tomorrow, I`m going to try it and post the outcome in my journal..hehe Cant wait.
    Do it! Do it and let us know how you felt.


    By the way, I have done this routine, many a time.

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    Ellington Darden personally witnessed Casey Viator perform the following workout on June 10, 1971, two days before the Mr. America contest which Casey won:

    1) Leg press on a Universal machine, 750 lbs for 20 reps.
    2) Leg extension on a Universal machine, 225 lbs for 20 reps.
    3) Full squat with a barbell, 502 lbs for 13 reps.

    The exercises were performed in immediate succession (no rest between).


    That, my friends, is a ******* manly workout!

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    I got my leg day on Friday, I'll give it a shot. It'll be kinda weird cause this workout is waaay shorter than my normal routine, after I finish the first giant set, I'll rest for awhile and try and go for another.
    "It is often said, mainly by the "no-contests", that although there is no positive evidence for the existence of God, nor is there evidence against his existence. So it is best to keep an open mind and be agnostic. At first sight that seems an unassailable position, at least in the weak sense of Pascal's wager. But on second thought it seems a cop-out, because the same could be said of Father Christmas and tooth fairies. There may be fairies at the bottom of the garden. There is no evidence for it, but you can't prove that there aren't any, so shouldn't we be agnostic with respect to fairies?"

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    "Out of all of the sects in the world, we notice an uncanny coincidence: the overwhelming majority just happen to choose the one that their parents belong to. Not the sect that has the best evidence in its favour, the best miracles, the best moral code, the best cathedral, the best stained glass, the best music: when it comes to choosing from the smorgasbord of available religions, their potential virtues seem to count for nothing, compared to the matter of heredity. This is an unmistakable fact; nobody could seriously deny it. Yet people with full knowledge of the arbitrary nature of this heredity, somehow manage to go on believing in their religion, often with such fanaticism that they are prepared to murder people who follow a different one."


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    Will it be OK if I throw in 2 sets of Leg Curls in this unique routine?
    Change is good.

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    Im gonna give it blast next monday.
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    im going to make a special trip to the gym this week to try it.
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    Originally posted by chris mason
    1) Leg press on a Universal machine, 750 lbs for 20 reps.
    2) Leg extension on a Universal machine, 225 lbs for 20 reps.
    3) Full squat with a barbell, 502 lbs for 13 reps.
    What a pussy, he only finished with 13 reps at 502?

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    Originally posted by Otter


    What a pussy, he only finished with 13 reps at 502?
    No ****! You cannot truly appreciate the muscular strength and endurance that takes until you have tried the routine. That is a simply amazing feat which I think any of the current crop of pros would be hard pressed to beat.

    Here is little pic of the results:

    http://www.darkwoods.com/bodybuilder...e/viator05.jpg
    Last edited by chris mason; 06-25-2002 at 07:52 AM.

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    Originally posted by Victor
    Will it be OK if I throw in 2 sets of Leg Curls in this unique routine?
    You certainly could, but do them after the giant set, not as part of it.

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    The leg extension bit seems a little light to me, actually . . . maybe part of how Viator managed to do this was by sort of 'resting' during the leg extension set.

    I could be wrong, but I know MYSELF I can do leg extensions all day long at 225... my working weight is 275 1-legged . . . equivalent to 550 w/2 legs. I have fairly strong legs, but I'm nowhere near pro-level, by any stretch of the imagination.

    I totally don't mean to diminish the impressiveness of the feat -- I'm just kinda musing on how it'd be possible/feasible without keeling over.

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    Callahan, I would venture to say every machine is different.
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