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The Five Biggest Contradictions in Fitness

Itís no secret that when people contradict themselves, it has the effect of making the flaws in their actions or statements seem glaringly obvious. But what about when WE ourselves get caught contradicting ourselves by someone else?

By: Nick Tumminello Added: January 6th, 2014
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    Must....eat.....more....calories!

    Since I'm never progressing like I think I should, I'm always wondering why. Today I figured out my calorie intake (I know, should have on day 1), and I came to 2500 at MOST on a GOOD day, meaning I eat all the following, which I do on training days at least:
    - Bowl of Protmeal (oats w/ one scoop gainer powder)
    - Another bowl of Protmeal, natty pb on 2 slices of w.w. toast, some skim milk
    - Tbsp of flax
    - Shake consisting of 3 scoops gainer powder 1 scoop TT spread over 6 hours
    - Two cans of tuna
    - 10 in. turkey sub, french bread with roughly 8 slices of deli turkey. NO CONDIMENTS, some animal crackers
    - Tbsp of flax
    - 1/2 cup or so cottage cheese right befored bed (the woman says this is one of my problems)

    Now, some days there'll be one less Protmeal bowl or can of tuna, or an added banana, or I may all out cheat with stuff like Long John Silvers, Hooters, or Italian Buffet for dinner. Snacks are usually peanuts, peanut butter crackers, or Nutter Butters (I'm addicted to that ****). Some of you are undoubtedly laughing at this "diet".

    Anyway... I estimate the above coming to 2200-2500 calories (I dunno how many my sub has). I'm 6'2" 192 (up 20lbs from beginning), and think I need to be closer to 4000. I have scrawny arms, and most people say I'm a pole. The only inconsistency is I have a flabby gut I'd like to lose, but not at the expense of no growth. So where am I gonna get an extra 1500 cals? Two things I'm missing that I shouldn't: eggs and fish oil. But I can't cook, and I don't have time to make a lot of stuff, or eat another meal for that matter. This rules out scrambled eggs, chicken, homemade pizza, etc. I considered frozen pizza, 1300 cals right there, and my macro ratios wouldn't really be all that messed up, but I think the sat. fat would be unacceptable.

    What should I be eating to up my intake, help me grow, but not add to my gut?

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    you need more fat.........9 cals a gram........this is what you need to get enough cals........more peanut butter, olive oil, fish oil concentrate tabs are great for EFA's too.........

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    Try eating more whole-food protein sources rather than using protein powder and weight-gainers

    It'll make a difference, trust me
    Don't eat the yellow snow

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    I agree with Qea, try to restrict yourself on those protein powders. Eat eggs, chicken, tuna, and drink milk. You might even save a few bucks too.
    "It is often said, mainly by the "no-contests", that although there is no positive evidence for the existence of God, nor is there evidence against his existence. So it is best to keep an open mind and be agnostic. At first sight that seems an unassailable position, at least in the weak sense of Pascal's wager. But on second thought it seems a cop-out, because the same could be said of Father Christmas and tooth fairies. There may be fairies at the bottom of the garden. There is no evidence for it, but you can't prove that there aren't any, so shouldn't we be agnostic with respect to fairies?"

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    "Out of all of the sects in the world, we notice an uncanny coincidence: the overwhelming majority just happen to choose the one that their parents belong to. Not the sect that has the best evidence in its favour, the best miracles, the best moral code, the best cathedral, the best stained glass, the best music: when it comes to choosing from the smorgasbord of available religions, their potential virtues seem to count for nothing, compared to the matter of heredity. This is an unmistakable fact; nobody could seriously deny it. Yet people with full knowledge of the arbitrary nature of this heredity, somehow manage to go on believing in their religion, often with such fanaticism that they are prepared to murder people who follow a different one."


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    Hmmm.... more fat? My gut would disagree, but ok.... Does this mean I can eat the frozen pizza?
    Ok, how about a few bags of Nutter butters?

    Well, I was thinking the only thing I could do was to add another gainer shake or two, but I won't. Can't get rid of the one though, I'm in enough trouble.

    Maybe switching to whole milk and drinking a little more?
    When I run out of flax, I'm gonna look into switching to fish oil.
    Eggs, chicken I don't think I can make, but I'll look into it.

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    Milk, Orange juice
    Milk is the best Supplement

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    Originally posted by Madd Hatter
    Hmmm.... more fat? My gut would disagree, but ok.... Does this mean I can eat the frozen pizza?
    Ok, how about a few bags of Nutter butters?
    HEALTHY fats Madd Hatter, HEALTHY (flax oil, fish oil, natty pb, almonds, etc.)

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    Originally posted by Qea
    Try eating more whole-food protein sources rather than using protein powder and weight-gainers

    It'll make a difference, trust me
    I disagree - he is already having trouble meeting his caloric needs if you switch him over to whole foods (much moe filling) from powder (much less filling) he will likely be able to eat even less. It is easier to drink calories then it is to eat them.
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    How's whole milk? Bad?
    Because if I drank a quart a day, that'd be 640 more cals, 40g of protein, but also 20g of sat. fat, and more other fat. Should I steer clear?

    I thought about adding a bagel with more natty pb, but bagels are high in sodium, and since I eat 2 cans of tuna a day.....

    I was gonna add veggies, but that won't help the calories much.

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    Originally posted by =w=


    I disagree - he is already having trouble meeting his caloric needs if you switch him over to whole foods (much moe filling) from powder (much less filling) he will likely be able to eat even less. It is easier to drink calories then it is to eat them.

    Qea is correct. Real food is better and will make you gain more weight then so called 'weight gainers'.
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    Originally posted by =w=


    I disagree - he is already having trouble meeting his caloric needs if you switch him over to whole foods (much moe filling) from powder (much less filling) he will likely be able to eat even less. It is easier to drink calories then it is to eat them.
    Agreed.

    Also, eat some stuff you like. If you're eating boring-assed 'clean' food all the time, it's going to tend to suppress your appetite. You're bulking; have a little fun. Don't worry if you eat some crap--just keep it within reason. A calorie is a calorie is a calorie. And you ain't eatin' enough of them.

    We tend to think of Sisyphus as a tragic hero, condemned by the gods to shoulder his rock sweatily up the mountain, and again up the mountain, forever. The truth is that Sisyphus is in love with the rock. He cherishes every roughness and every ounce of it. He talks to it, sings to it. It has become the mysterious Other. He even dreams of it as he sleepwalks upward. Life is unimaginable without it, looming always above him like a huge gray moon. He doesnít realize that at any moment he is permitted to step aside, let the rock hurtle to the bottom, and go home.

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    I had a similar concern whist eating in the customary manner (carb. heavy, light fat) and would suggest increasing the amount of FAT in your diet, whist decreasing the amount of CARBS.

    My current diet has fats responsible for 50% of calories and carbs. a lowly 15%. The remainder is protein. (I use b/w + 10% as my guideline and adjust accordingly when total calories increase/decrease)

    You will find it much easier to consume the calories you desire if using this process. The decrease in CARBS offsets the increase in FATS in my experience.

    Make the change SLOWLY, monitoring any weight increase, take measurements (strategically) and note changes where applicable. When the weight starts to come-on freeze total calories and wait, when it stops increase 100-200 p/day, p/week.

    Hope this helps.
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    Originally posted by =w=


    I disagree - he is already having trouble meeting his caloric needs if you switch him over to whole foods (much moe filling) from powder (much less filling) he will likely be able to eat even less. It is easier to drink calories then it is to eat them.
    true, it is easier to drink than to eat

    but after the initial discomfort of force-feeding, your stomach eventually gets used to the amount of whole-food going in. Till the point where you'll be getting hunger signals constantly.

    I used to have the same problem, thinking it's easier to drink supps than to eat real food, but once i switched over, i find it much better.

    Real food is better than supps (other than the post-wo drink). I am not enough of a scientist to explain why, but i'm sure most people on the board will agree with this.

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    Look at the quality of the carbs in these weight gainers. All sugar or malt. You'll get fat and look like Sh!t.

    DO NOT LIVE ON WEIGHT GAINERS. Building muscle takes time. If you want to put on dramatic weight go and eat at Burger King every night for your tea. That's more 'fun'.
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    Originally posted by YatesNightBlade
    Look at the quality of the carbs in these weight gainers. All sugar or malt. You'll get fat and look like Sh!t.

    DO NOT LIVE ON WEIGHT GAINERS. Building muscle takes time. If you want to put on dramatic weight go and eat at Burger King every night for your tea. That's more 'fun'.
    I don't think he should live on weight-gainers, but by the same token I don't think their occasional use is that bad. I figure dieting is miserable enough; to me, it's silly to make yourself miserable while bulking as well. I use a substantial amount of maltodextrin and protein shakes while bulking; I've also bulked on pretty much all clean food. When the calories were the same, I really didn't see an appreciable difference in terms of fat to muscle. Actually, I used to be very much a 'real food is best' advocate but noticed my best gains actually, and quite counterintuitively to my thinking at that time, came when most of my protein was coming in the form of whey. I think either approach will work, it's just yours is more difficult. I'm sure it is much more economical and healthier in the longer run, though.

    We tend to think of Sisyphus as a tragic hero, condemned by the gods to shoulder his rock sweatily up the mountain, and again up the mountain, forever. The truth is that Sisyphus is in love with the rock. He cherishes every roughness and every ounce of it. He talks to it, sings to it. It has become the mysterious Other. He even dreams of it as he sleepwalks upward. Life is unimaginable without it, looming always above him like a huge gray moon. He doesnít realize that at any moment he is permitted to step aside, let the rock hurtle to the bottom, and go home.

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