Unfortunately, I don't use suppliments like many of you do... And I was wondering if tuna is a good alternative to a post work out meal.
Generally, I have two tuna sandwiches off of one can of tuna. Usually w/ about 1 1/2 scoops of mayo. And the bread is pretty thick... like 1 slice of this bread is nearly equivelant to 2 slices of Wonderbread and the likes.
I don't bring any food w/ me to the gym, so I have to wait until I get back home before I can put something in my stomach.
I figure the protein in the tuna is what I'm looking for... anyone have thoughts on other alternatives that I should look at?
First of all, are you having a tuna sandwich as your "post workout shake"? The reason whey is so good post workout is because it gets absorbed so fast. Tuna is slow absorbing, so it is not what you want post workout. If you are having the bread post workout as your carbs then that is another mistake. You need high GI carbs after the WO. Dextrose and maltodextrin are best.
Also, i forgot to mention that the mayo is a bad decision overall. First imo mixing carbs and fat in meals is a bad decision, and secondly you will slow the absorption of the protein even more by increasing fat
Damn, I guess I'm doing everything wrong here... The problem is, I can't/won't take any of the stuff that you mention. I dunno why, as much as I'd like to... money prohibits it, and I'm no sure of another reason, I guess I'd just like to be natural w/o 'extra' help.
So what do you recommend I use other than dextrose, matodextrin, and whey? How about some bananas?
I'm seriously stumped here.
There is no substitute for food. I learned this lesson a few months ago when I ran out of post-workout powdered mummy and I had to eat real food instead of drink it. Results? I ahd better gains, my muscles felt better in the morning, I was less sore despite incresing lifts, and I recovered a bit faster. But maybe I'm the only one who benifits from eating food.
What is the best supplement for weight gain? Food. WHat is the best supplement for fat loss? Food. Its very versatile. Powder is a convenience issue. Its useful stuff, btu I'll take a sandwich and a glass of pepsi any day.
Dont listen to Clark's communist agit-prop bullshit. Tuna is fine post workout, eat some sugary **** along with it and you'll be just fine as long as what you eat is eaten IMMEDIATELY after workout. The body's prime time after workout is about 40 minutes, and anything you eat in those 40 minutes to an hour is going to be absorbed and used quickly. The whey is absorbed faster yes, but a tuna sandwich is real food.
Eat a tuna sandwich, no mayo(perhaps light miracle whip or fat free mayo) a couple bananas, and you will have 80 grams of carbs, 40 fast and 40 slow, and almost 45 grams of protein, with very little fat.
How do i know this? Experience. Food is the best. Bodybuilders ate real food post workout for years until some genius decided to put food in a glass.
Budiak you might be being a little harsh. Clark isn't wrong, but your argument isn't bad either. Even after reading that I'd still take a lab shake for the fastest absorbtion after a workout than food.
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i wouldn't even consider whey a supplement. if you dont even want to take malto or dextrose then you will be missing out big time on gains IMO. i guess white bread and eggs might be a good choice if you must eat food.
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I think Budiak has it spot-on. Whey is a convenience, not a requirement. Food is food, for the most part, and your body will use anything you can give it.
That said, I'll also second the notion of subbing lowfat/nonfat salad dressing for mayo. You might also want to look at bread that is whole wheat/12 grain/etc... something that's brown and chewy as opposed to white and fluffy.
Definitely bring the food with you to the gym so you can eat ASAP afterwards. Bananas are good, Fresh pineapple is also good for you.
I personally think that whey is superior "post-workout". Sure real food is great...but it's not like whey is some alien substance from another planet. It along with a few other things that can easily be added into a shake are exactly what your body craves after a workout. And are absorbed quickly, and are convenient.
I am not a big supplement junky, but I don't have an aversion to a shake. Protein is protein, as long as it's a complete protein your body will use it as required. Sure there are other things in real food...so I eat real food...but postworkout it's easiest to down a shake for me.
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Quote : If you are having the bread post workout as your carbs then that is another mistake. You need high GI
White bread is high on the GI ! but i agree on dextrose being better.
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Another newbie question: What is GI?
postworkout it's easiest to down a shake for me.
HA! Convenience has made you fat and decadent.
Whey IS an alien substance, it appeared on earth at the same time starfish,worms, and penguins appeared. Its unnatural. Dont trust it.
Oh btw I drink a liquid protein postworkout, but I dont think its better than food. Its just easier.
And yes, I am fat and extremely decadent.
Just thought i'd mention this: In the past there were several rather famous bodybuilders who believed the whole protein shake thing was just a fad and prefered 6-8 proper straight meals a day. I don't even think they ate a meal straight after training either.
I believe (now i'm not totally positive here, but i believe) two of them were Frank Zane and Mike Mentzer.
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Another newbie question: What is GI?
It refers to how quickly or slowly your body takes to break down the carbs.
High GI foods: White Rice, Potatoes, Noodles
Low GI foods: Brown Rice, Oatmeal
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Although I side entirely with Clark on this issue that whey + malto/dext is the best combo for post workout, I do also agree that real food should be eaten throughout the day and MRPs should be avoided if possible. As to the original question I read a study on this about two weeks ago that dealt with muscle growth and post workout nutrition and the best gains were achieved through high GI carbs immediately following the workout or sipped throughout the workout. Since you don't want to use malto/dext or protein powder my advice is to bring a sports drink to the gym and sip that in your workout and then eat a meal when you get home or better yet at the gym. If you're not eating high GI carbs with fast absorbing protein then there isn't much point to a "post workout" meal, because it won't differ from your other meals.
I'm not trying to say Budiak is incorrect, but he came down ridiculously hard on Clark, who other than the mistake that Hellrazor corrected him on, was entirely correct. The primetime for food consumption to see post workout benefit is IMMEDIATELY following the workout or during the end of the workout. I'm uncertain where Budiak came up with the 40 minute figure which I don't agree with at all unless he means 40 minutes from the start of the workout in which case it's true. That's the entire point of eating food that is absorbed rapidly and creates an insulin surge.
OK... from what I understand, Post workout meal = important as sleep. However, it has to be protein that will be absorbed relatively quickly. What are foods with proteinthat I can eat that will absorb quickly into my body to give me some results?
Only off the top of my head is bananas, and tofu (me no like tofu, but I'll eat it if i have to! hehe. hell, I'm asian I should!)
no protein in a banana dude.
I've been eating ONLY real foods for the past 4 months.
GNC is over 2 hours away, and the local supermarket doesn't have any shakes.
Honestly, it sucks. I'm going to college next year, and there are plenty of places to stock up on MRPs up there.
I hate to hijack a thread, but does anyone have any suggestions for MRPs that I could toss in my plan? For the most part, I've been eating 3 cans of tuna a day, with some oat bran type cereal and pasta in the evening. I want to start getting some MRPs, but I don't know what I should shoot for. I am bulking right now, and I plan on bulking until I hit 200. (6'3 165lb atm)