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    Going Back To The BASICS Both Training & Diet Wise..

    What do you guys think about this?

    I was thinking about it and through everything that I have tried the only thing that has really worked was the basics.

    I am going to be doing a basic every other day push/pull/legs split. And following a basic bodybuilding diet full of clean foods like lean proteins and complex carbs, etc.

    Not going to count calories but I am going to keep my portions pretty small, etc.

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    good idea.

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    Only way to go.
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    This is what I am thinking guys. I honestly think that the only time I made any progress was when I did the BASICS, and only the basics. Protein and carbs in every meal, basic split, etc. None of this fad f*cking bullsh*t that will come and go, like HST (no offense to any HST users), and fad diets like ketogenic diets (again no offense), and all that.

    What has been working for decades is still what works.

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    I wanted to add that everyone I have talked to whos resorted back to the basic a routine / diet has made nothing but great progress.

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    The only routine I've ever had good results with was a 3 day a week basic low volume routine
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    LOL.....he almost made it a week!

    Nah, jk Mike.......you see how I eat and train, and it doesn't get much more basic....if you wanna try it, go right ahead.
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    Yeah I know I might here some sh*t about being all indecisive about my training diet. But I think I am just now realizing that the *BASICS* are what works!!

    Haha I dont know what my problem was before. If I am dying for pizza Ill each a slice. A slice, not a whole pie.

    Anyway here is my routine.

    Day 1. Push.
    Flat Barbell Presses 3 sets 4/6/8 (pyramid up from warmups)
    Flat Dumbbell Flyes 3 sets 4/6/8
    One-arm Dumbbell Side-laterals 3 sets 4/6/8
    Lying Cambered-bar Extensions 3 sets 4/6/8

    Day 2. Rest.

    Day 3. Pull.
    Wide-grip Underhand Chins 3 sets 4/6/8 (pyramid up from warmups)
    Incline Underhand Lever Rows 3 sets 4/6/8
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    Dumbbell Shrugs 3 sets 4/6/8
    Standing Barbell Curls 2 sets 4/6
    Alternating Dumbbell Hammer Curls 1 set 6

    Day 4. Rest.

    Day 5. Legs.
    Squats 3 sets 4/6/8 (pyramid up from warmups)
    Good Mornings 3 sets 4/6/8
    Leg Presses 3 sets 4/6/8
    Standing Smith-machine Calf Raises 3 sets 15/15/15
    Machine Crunches 3 sets 15/15/15

    Day 6. Rest.

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    Slice my ass.......eat the whole ******.

    Man those quarter pounders I've been eating the past week have been awesome!
    Vin Diesel has a fever.. and the only prescription is more cowbell.

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    If you really think about it, pizza isn't that bad for you. Sure, it has a lot of calories (if you eat the whole thing ), but it's not really that bad for you.

    It's snickers, mars, pepsi, now they're the devil!
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    Yeah I dont know. I still want to lose a little bit of fat so I am going to keep my pizza intake to a minimum I think. I mean I just dont want to deprive myself thats all.

    I want to stick to a BASIC bodybuilding diet and training program and pretty much reap the rewards.

    PowerManDL:

    Wondering man what specific principles in Supertraining do you apply to your training?

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    Wondering man what specific principles in Supertraining do you apply to your training?
    good question.
    "It is often said, mainly by the "no-contests", that although there is no positive evidence for the existence of God, nor is there evidence against his existence. So it is best to keep an open mind and be agnostic. At first sight that seems an unassailable position, at least in the weak sense of Pascal's wager. But on second thought it seems a cop-out, because the same could be said of Father Christmas and tooth fairies. There may be fairies at the bottom of the garden. There is no evidence for it, but you can't prove that there aren't any, so shouldn't we be agnostic with respect to fairies?"

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    "Out of all of the sects in the world, we notice an uncanny coincidence: the overwhelming majority just happen to choose the one that their parents belong to. Not the sect that has the best evidence in its favour, the best miracles, the best moral code, the best cathedral, the best stained glass, the best music: when it comes to choosing from the smorgasbord of available religions, their potential virtues seem to count for nothing, compared to the matter of heredity. This is an unmistakable fact; nobody could seriously deny it. Yet people with full knowledge of the arbitrary nature of this heredity, somehow manage to go on believing in their religion, often with such fanaticism that they are prepared to murder people who follow a different one."


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    Supertraining seems like a great book I have only read a few pages but its filled with some great information. However, I am personally (maybe I am dumb?) having a little trouble when I flip through the book finding information that can be directly applicable to training.

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    Oh loads of stuff.....the chapters on periodization and on the various training methods are invaluable.

    The info's there; you just have to distill it from the rest.
    Vin Diesel has a fever.. and the only prescription is more cowbell.

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    Originally posted by PowerManDL
    Oh loads of stuff.....the chapters on periodization and on the various training methods are invaluable.

    The info's there; you just have to distill it from the rest.
    Okay this is pretty much what I figured. Haha I am starting college in the Fall I am thinking that me trying to figure out Supertraining will be like an extra class. Haha.

    Anyway any other opinions on going back to the basics?

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    yeah, get even more basic. Dump this 4/6/8 thing and just warm up ( a few sets) and then choose a weight you will fail at in say 3-6 reps (more for legs of course). Perform 2 sets to failure and then move on.

    ~6-10 sets per workout

    i would also move good mornings after leg press to give your back a bit of a break after squats

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    I like sldl much more than GMs

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    I agree w/ doc......its the same movement, only you can dump the bar in a SLDL if a problem arises.
    Vin Diesel has a fever.. and the only prescription is more cowbell.

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    I really like the 4/6/8 thing and thats just a general idea of where I should be. I dont really follow that except for progression.

    Anyway I dont know guys I dont think I like SLDLs too much. I did them and my grip seems very weak with them. I think that GMs will workout better.

    I am going to give them a sh*t tomorrow. I will though make it squats, leg presses, then good mornings.

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    Originally posted by PowerManDL
    I agree w/ doc......its the same movement, only you can dump the bar in a SLDL if a problem arises.
    You can drop the bar and what switch to DBs? I really dont like movements at all where my grip is the weak link.

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    You can dump in a GM.... set up the power rack, foo! Or get two strong spotters.

    Monstar/Ironman/Mike.... Shoot, look at the biggest and strongest guys on this board. What have they been doing? The basics, like you said. Consistency and simplicity in routines, adequate calories to gain weight/lose weight/maintain, enough protein and carbs. That's it, man. That's all there is to it.

    Needless complexity in training.... you're not a guy who's spent the last two years at the same weight, body composition, and poundages. You don't need HST, HIT, GVT, NASA, RADAR, AMRAAM, FUBAR, or any of that crap to progress!

    You don't need to worry about leptin levels or refeeds, carb cycling, eating for maximum test levels, or f*cking Feng Shui.

    Just eat and lift, bro. Eat and lift.
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    Originally posted by lronMan


    You can drop the bar and what switch to DBs? I really dont like movements at all where my grip is the weak link.
    use straps

    he is saying you can just lower the BB to the ground

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    Originally posted by Belial
    You can dump in a GM.... set up the power rack, foo! Or get two strong spotters.

    Monstar/Ironman/Mike.... Shoot, look at the biggest and strongest guys on this board. What have they been doing? The basics, like you said. Consistency and simplicity in routines, adequate calories to gain weight/lose weight/maintain, enough protein and carbs. That's it, man. That's all there is to it.

    Needless complexity in training.... you're not a guy who's spent the last two years at the same weight, body composition, and poundages. You don't need HST, HIT, GVT, NASA, RADAR, AMRAAM, FUBAR, or any of that crap to progress!

    You don't need to worry about leptin levels or refeeds, carb cycling, eating for maximum test levels, or f*cking Feng Shui.

    Just eat and lift, bro. Eat and lift.
    Yeah I dont know what the f*ck has gotten into me the past few years. Haha its been a good year or two since I really used the basics. I feel like that has hampered my progress so much. Well I am 18 now and I am going to go back to the basics and seriously allow my genetic potential to step forward.

    I want to see how strong I can REALLY get, how big I can get genetically, etc. I know it takes time but doing what works will get me there faster than "HST, HIT, GVT, NASA, RADAR, AMRAAM, FUBAR" lol.

    Again I am going to set the pins in the power rack for GMs obviously, otherwise they would be extremely dangerous.

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    Originally posted by Belial
    Just eat and lift, bro. Eat and lift.
    This is awesome advice for all BBs.

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    Originally posted by Belial
    You can dump in a GM.... set up the power rack, foo! Or get two strong spotters.
    This I know. However, dropping a GM is just as embarrassing as dropping a squat, IMO......in other words, I don't want to make it a habit. If I drop an SLDL, its no biggie; I was just deadlifting. But if I drop a GM, not only does it garner odd looks, but I have to lift that mofo back up to the pins, which totally sucks.

    As for the rest.....I totally agree with B. He's telling you the same thing we've all been trying to drill into your head since you came back.
    Vin Diesel has a fever.. and the only prescription is more cowbell.

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