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The Five Biggest Contradictions in Fitness

Itís no secret that when people contradict themselves, it has the effect of making the flaws in their actions or statements seem glaringly obvious. But what about when WE ourselves get caught contradicting ourselves by someone else?

By: Nick Tumminello Added: January 6th, 2014
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    The key to winning these leagues, is to not spend high draft picks on the guys that will be arrested early in the year for muder, drug trafficking...or being overly enthusiastic whilst chaperoning at a high school dance.
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    I can picture in my mind a world without war, a world without hate. And I can picture us attacking that world, because they'd never expect it.

    Is there anything more beautiful than a beautiful, beautiful flamingo, flying across in front of a beautiful sunset? And he's carrying a beautiful rose in his beak, and also he's carrying a very beautiful painting with his feet. And also, you're drunk.

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    lmfao, yea and watch out for skinny ass wide receivers that are too pussy to even block on a running play (cough...randy moss...cough).
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    Originally posted by Goin_Big
    lmfao, yea and watch out for skinny ass wide receivers that are too pussy to even block on a running play (cough...randy moss...cough).
    despite his less than typical season last year, Moss is still the best WR in the game.

    When you can make moves and catches like him, you are ALLOWED to take plays off and/or not block.

    The biggest mistake I have seen in Fantasy Football with regard to Moss, though, is some retard almost invariably takes him in the first round. He's simply NOT first round material. Second round, maybe. But your first pick simply MUST go to a starting RB. One can make the argument to take a stellar QB instead with your first pick, but there's no excuse for picking a WR...

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    Moss is a pussy and he sucks, I absolutely will not pick him.
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    I think I saw that the draft isn't for quite some time yet eh? I will have to read up on some of the potentials and who's starting where eventually...
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    I can picture in my mind a world without war, a world without hate. And I can picture us attacking that world, because they'd never expect it.

    Is there anything more beautiful than a beautiful, beautiful flamingo, flying across in front of a beautiful sunset? And he's carrying a beautiful rose in his beak, and also he's carrying a very beautiful painting with his feet. And also, you're drunk.

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    A couple words of advice to you, ElP, and anyone else that is going to join the league as a newcomer to Fantasy Football:

    1) Draft the system, not so much the player. There's a reason why Denver has had three 1,000-yd rushers in as many seasons. No knock on the talents of Anderson, Davis, or Gary, but part of the reason they were successful was the system, the great o-line and the very able coaching of Mike Shanahan.

    2) A corrolary to #1, PAY ATTENTION TO THE INJURIES AND FREE AGENT MOVES. If a team had a great o-line last year but got raped by free agency and retirement and/or preseason injuries, this will hurt their RBs, QBs and by extension WRs and TEs. A strong offensive line gives a QB and RB more chances. This is part of the reason that Emmitt Smith is still notching worthy seasons despite his age and the rumours of him having "lost a step".

    3) You won't win the superbowl in the first 3 rounds of the draft. You'll win it in the middle 7-8 rounds. For the first couple of rounds, it's usually almost a no-brainer to choose a player... at best, it's totally obvious. At worst, it's a choice between two great players of equal skill/potential. However in the middle rounds, this is where you pick up the meat and potatoes of your team and where you can make or break your team.

    4) Don't put all your eggs in one basket. Even if you're a diehard Packers fan, choosing Favre, Freeman and Green is a dicey proposition and puts your fantasy team at risk... all it would take is the unlikely but possible season-or-career-ending injury to Favre and the team would be in trouble... despite the emergence of Kurt Warner in St. Louis after the injury to Trent Green, I submit to you that this is the exception rather than the rule. I have little faith that Jamie Martin could step up the same way if Warner was injured . . .

    5) Nothing is assured. Don't waste an early superstar pick on someone just because you like them, assuming you'll be able to pick up the slack later. Likewise, don't assume that you'll win the league just because you managed to pick Marshall Faulk with your first rounder. Injuries, flukes, and any number of other factors can derail your season if you don't stay on top of things.

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    Yep, I've played these pools for a long time...picking with your heart is always foolish...and knowing who's hurt or who's competing for a starter position is imperative...I think the scoring and game play is exactly the same as the pool I've played the last two years. Although, we had defensive players to draft, not the whole team...
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    Deep Thoughts by Jack Handey:

    I can picture in my mind a world without war, a world without hate. And I can picture us attacking that world, because they'd never expect it.

    Is there anything more beautiful than a beautiful, beautiful flamingo, flying across in front of a beautiful sunset? And he's carrying a beautiful rose in his beak, and also he's carrying a very beautiful painting with his feet. And also, you're drunk.

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    A sample draft:

    Here's the draft order and picks from the league I won the superbowl in last year... comments to follow. My team was the Shibby Shibbers.

    Pick Team Player
    1 Sho's Squad Culpepper, Daunte (QB MIN)
    2 Lorain Browns Manning, Peyton (QB IND)
    3 maggot corps James, Edgerrin (RB IND)
    4 Shibby Shibbers Faulk, Marshall (RB STL)
    5 Indians Garcia, Jeff (QB SF)
    6 The Scrubs Moss, Randy (WR MIN)
    7 Grid Iron Gorillas George, Eddie (RB TEN)
    8 Robs Rollers Warner, Kurt (QB STL)
    9 Rogue Brooks, Aaron (QB NO)
    10 Camarillo Brillo Gannon, Rich (QB OAK)
    11 Eagles Green, Trent (QB KC)
    12 Maks McNabb, Donovan (QB PHI)

    Round 2Pick Team Player
    13 Maks Davis, Stephen (RB WAS)
    14 Eagles Harrison, Marvin (WR IND)
    15 Camarillo Brillo Bruce, Isaac (WR STL)
    16 Rogue Martin, Curtis (RB NYJ)
    17 Robs Rollers Taylor, Fred (RB JAC)
    18 Grid Iron Gorillas Dillon, Corey (RB CIN)
    19 The Scrubs Grbac, Elvis (QB BAL)
    20 Indians Holt, Torry (WR STL)
    21 Shibby Shibbers Griese, Brian (QB DEN)
    22 maggot corps Owens, Terrell (WR SF)
    23 Lorain Browns Williams, Ricky (RB NO)
    24 Sho's Squad Watters, Ricky (RB SEA)

    Round 3Pick Team Player
    25 Sho's Squad Anderson, Jamal (RB ATL)
    26 Lorain Browns Barber, Tiki (RB NYG)
    27 maggot corps Favre, Brett (QB GB)
    28 Shibby Shibbers Staley, Duce (RB PHI)
    29 Indians Davis, Terrell (RB DEN)
    30 The Scrubs Dunn, Warrick (RB TB)
    31 Grid Iron Gorillas Brown, Tim (WR OAK)
    32 Robs Rollers Smith, Rod (WR DEN)
    33 Rogue Green, Ahman (RB GB)
    34 Camarillo Brillo Smith, Emmitt (RB DAL)
    35 Eagles Tomlinson, LaDainian (RB SD)
    36 Maks Stewart, James (RB DET)

    Round 4Pick Team Player
    37 Maks Alexander, Derrick (WR KC)
    38 Eagles Carter, Cris (WR MIN)
    39 Camarillo Brillo Smith, Lamar (RB MIA)
    40 Rogue Gonzalez, Tony (TE KC)
    41 Robs Rollers Ravens (DT BAL)
    42 Grid Iron Gorillas Sharpe, Shannon (TE BAL)
    43 The Scrubs Bennett, Michael (RB MIN)
    44 Indians Bettis, Jerome (RB PIT)
    45 Shibby Shibbers McCaffrey, Ed (WR DEN)
    46 maggot corps Walls, Wesley (TE CAR)
    47 Lorain Browns Galloway, Joey (WR DAL)
    48 Sho's Squad Moulds, Eric (WR BUF)

    Round 5Pick Team Player
    49 Sho's Squad Johnson, Keyshawn (WR TB)
    50 Lorain Browns Smith, Jimmy (WR JAC)
    51 maggot corps Titans (DT TEN)
    52 Shibby Shibbers Boston, David (WR ARI)
    53 Indians Horn, Joe (WR NO)
    54 The Scrubs Chamberlain, Byron (TE MIN)
    55 Grid Iron Gorillas Freeman, Antonio (WR GB)
    56 Robs Rollers Jones, Freddie (TE SD)
    57 Rogue Eagles (DT PHI)
    58 Camarillo Brillo Saints (DT NO)
    59 Eagles Pittman, Michael (RB ARI)
    60 Maks Wilkins, Jeff (K STL)

    Round 6Pick Team Player
    61 Maks Toomer, Amani (WR NYG)
    62 Eagles Vanderjagt, Mike (K IND)
    63 Camarillo Brillo Longwell, Ryan (K GB)
    64 Rogue Westbrook, Michael (WR WAS)
    65 Robs Rollers Alstott, Mike (RB TB)
    66 Grid Iron Gorillas Brunell, Mark (QB JAC)
    67 The Scrubs Buccaneers (DT TB)
    68 Indians Rams (DT STL)
    69 Shibby Shibbers Muhammad, Muhsin (WR CAR)
    70 maggot corps McCardell, Keenan (WR JAC)
    71 Lorain Browns Dolphins (DT MIA)
    72 Sho's Squad Mare, Olindo (K MIA)

    Round 7Pick Team Player
    73 Sho's Squad Broncos (DT DEN)
    74 Lorain Browns Couch, Tim (QB CLE)
    75 maggot corps Holmes, Priest (RB KC)
    76 Shibby Shibbers Collins, Kerry (QB NYG)
    77 Indians Elam, Jason (K DEN)
    78 The Scrubs Anderson, Gary (K MIN)
    79 Grid Iron Gorillas Akers, David (K PHI)
    80 Robs Rollers Chrebet, Wayne (WR NYJ)
    81 Rogue Connell, Albert (WR NO)
    82 Camarillo Brillo Thrash, James (WR PHI)
    83 Eagles Chiefs (DT KC)
    84 Maks Raiders (DT OAK)

    Round 8Pick Team Player
    85 Maks Wycheck, Frank (TE TEN)
    86 Eagles Dudley, Rickey (TE CLE)
    87 Camarillo Brillo Riemersma, Jay (TE BUF)
    88 Rogue Gramatica, Martin (K TB)
    89 Robs Rollers Hasselbeck, Matt (QB SEA)
    90 Grid Iron Gorillas Dayne, Ron (RB NYG)
    91 The Scrubs Warrick, Peter (WR CIN)
    92 Indians Dilger, Ken (TE IND)
    93 Shibby Shibbers Allen, Terry (RB BAL)
    94 maggot corps McNair, Steve (QB TEN)
    95 Lorain Browns Hollis, Mike (K JAC)
    96 Sho's Squad Brady, Kyle (TE JAC)

    Round 9Pick Team Player
    97 Sho's Squad George, Jeff (QB WAS)
    98 Lorain Browns Lewis, Chad (TE PHI)
    99 maggot corps Stover, Matt (K BAL)
    100 Shibby Shibbers Nedney, Joe (K TEN)
    101 Indians Bledsoe, Drew (QB NE)
    102 The Scrubs Johnson, Brad (QB TB)
    103 Grid Iron Gorillas Rice, Jerry (WR OAK)
    104 Robs Rollers Wheatley, Tyrone (RB OAK)
    105 Rogue Flutie, Doug (QB SD)
    106 Camarillo Brillo Carter, Quincy (QB DAL)
    107 Eagles Testaverde, Vinny (QB NYJ)
    108 Maks Johnson, Rob (QB BUF)

    Round 10Pick Team Player
    109 Maks Biakabutuka, Tim (RB CAR)
    110 Eagles Allen, James (RB CHI)
    111 Camarillo Brillo Seder, Tim (K DAL)
    112 Rogue Garner, Charlie (RB OAK)
    113 Robs Rollers Giants (DT NYG)
    114 Grid Iron Gorillas Redskins (DT WAS)
    115 The Scrubs Vinatieri, Adam (K NE)
    116 Indians Jackson, Darrell (WR SEA)
    117 Shibby Shibbers Franks, Bubba (TE GB)
    118 maggot corps Mathis, Terance (WR ATL)
    119 Lorain Browns Hearst, Garrison (RB SF)
    120 Sho's Squad Christie, Steve (K BUF)

    Round 11Pick Team Player
    121 Sho's Squad Lions (DT DET)
    122 Lorain Browns Crowell, Germane (WR DET)
    123 maggot corps Hanson, Jason (K DET)
    124 Shibby Shibbers Alexander, Stephen (TE WAS)
    125 Indians Markham, John (K NYG)
    126 The Scrubs Henry, Travis (RB BUF)
    127 Grid Iron Gorillas Cleeland, Cameron (TE NO)
    128 Robs Rollers Janikowski, Sebastian (K OAK)
    129 Rogue Robinson, Marcus (WR CHI)
    130 Camarillo Brillo Stokes, J.J. (WR SF)
    131 Eagles Gadsden, Oronde (WR MIA)
    132 Maks Seahawks (DT SEA)

    Round 12Pick Team Player
    133 Maks Lindell, Rian (K SEA)
    134 Eagles Packers (DT GB)
    135 Camarillo Brillo Brookins, Jason (RB BAL)
    136 Rogue Carney, John (K NO)
    137 Robs Rollers Carswell, Dwayne (TE DEN)
    138 Grid Iron Gorillas Jaguars (DT JAC)
    139 The Scrubs Mason, Derrick (WR TEN)
    140 Indians Anderson, Mike (RB DEN)
    141 Shibby Shibbers Chargers (DT SD)
    142 maggot corps Morris, Sammy (RB BUF)
    143 Lorain Browns Jets (DT NYJ)
    144 Sho's Squad Conway, Curtis (WR SD)

    Round 13Pick Team Player
    145 Sho's Squad Anderson, Richie (RB NYJ)
    146 Lorain Browns Peterson, Todd (K KC)
    147 maggot corps Panthers (DT CAR)
    148 Shibby Shibbers Steelers (DT PIT)
    149 Indians Bears (DT CHI)
    150 The Scrubs Mili, Itula (TE SEA)
    151 Grid Iron Gorillas Batch, Charlie (QB DET)
    152 Robs Rollers Schroeder, Bill (WR GB)
    153 Rogue Colts (DT IND)
    154 Camarillo Brillo Browns (DT CLE)
    155 Eagles Richey, Wade (K SD)
    156 Maks Ismail, Qadry (WR BAL)

    Round 14Pick Team Player
    157 Maks Pollard, Marcus (TE IND)
    158 Eagles Moore, Dave (TE TB)
    159 Camarillo Brillo Clark, Desmond (TE DEN)
    160 Rogue Harris, Jackie (TE DAL)
    161 Robs Rollers Brown, Kris (K PIT)
    162 Grid Iron Gorillas Cortez, Jose (K SF)
    163 The Scrubs Vikings (DT MIN)
    164 Indians Conwell, Ernie (TE STL)
    165 Shibby Shibbers Rheem, Jamie (K SF)
    166 maggot corps Mitchell, Pete (TE DET)
    167 Lorain Browns Sloan, David (TE DET)
    168 Sho's Squad McGee, Tony (TE CIN)


    The biggest mistake I made in this draft was having too much faith in Brian Griese. He showed a lot of promise coming into the season, and I probably picked him too high. However, as you can see I got my starting RBs, QB and decent WRs picked up as my priorities in this league.

    As it was I was pretty happy with the draft. If Ed McCaffery hadn't been hammered in Game 1, I'd have had one of the best WR corps in my Fantasy Football career! I'd have had Easy Ed and the underrated David Boston to start, with the capable Mushin Muhammad as my backup. In retrospect I also picked my #2 QB too high, but I got a little nervous about Griese at that point and Collins HAD just come off of a season with a Superbowl appearance!

    As far as the other teams' picks, I'm still shaking my head at some of them. Trent Green in the first round? Randy Moss with the 6th pick overall? Elvis Grbac with the 19th overall? Picking defense in the 4th & 5th rounds? Sheesh. No wonder I won that league.

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    An example of a somewhat stupid draft from the same season, different league. i think this is an example of doing well in middle rounds after some stupid early rounds:

    12 Ed's Sweaty Socks Griese, Brian (QB DEN) - I was waaay too hung up on Griese that year
    13 Ed's Sweaty Socks Williams, Ricky (RB NO) - No complaints on this pick
    36 Ed's Sweaty Socks Barber, Tiki (RB NYG) - What was I thinking? Bettis and Pittman were still available at this point . . .
    37 Ed's Sweaty Socks Green, Trent (QB KC) - this was just retarded. I had it in my head that I would trade him for someone. I eventually did... for Derrick Alexander. Who did nothing for me.
    60 Ed's Sweaty Socks Connell, Albert (WR NO) - dumb dumb dumb
    61 Ed's Sweaty Socks Holmes, Priest (RB KC) - this helped me salvage 3rd place in the league
    84 Ed's Sweaty Socks Ismail, Qadry (WR BAL) - no complaints here
    85 Ed's Sweaty Socks Wycheck, Frank (TE TEN) - ditto
    108 Ed's Sweaty Socks Robinson, Marcus (WR CHI) - took a flier that he'd come back. Shoulda picked that Marty Booker fella, but who knew?
    109 Ed's Sweaty Socks Akers, David (K PHI)
    132 Ed's Sweaty Socks Chargers (DT SD)
    133 Ed's Sweaty Socks Dilger, Ken (TE IND)
    156 Ed's Sweaty Socks Brown, Kris (K PIT)
    157 Ed's Sweaty Socks Browns (DT CLE)

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    I almost fell out of my chair when I saw Trent Green in the first round.

    First round should be all RBs and QBs. I had David Boston last year...that guy is a yardage machine...to bad he didn't get more TDs. Mushin sucks...he rode my bench most of the year...

    I'm surprised you didn't nab Favre before Griese...I know many had high expectations for Denver but Favre is a guaranteed producer...
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    Deep Thoughts by Jack Handey:

    I can picture in my mind a world without war, a world without hate. And I can picture us attacking that world, because they'd never expect it.

    Is there anything more beautiful than a beautiful, beautiful flamingo, flying across in front of a beautiful sunset? And he's carrying a beautiful rose in his beak, and also he's carrying a very beautiful painting with his feet. And also, you're drunk.

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    Just saw your second draft...I'll refrain from comment on most of it. I'm not a big Tiki fan, that offence is very unstable, Dayne gets a lot of touches as well...I don't think Tiki gets as many carries as an average RB, although I could be mistaken.

    I was really high on McNabb last year and he panned out big time as my starting QB. I am a big Colts fan but I think McNabb is the most talented quarterback in the league by quite a large amount, and is also the best fantasy-wise. I'm sure this isn't really news but I think he still doesn't get the credit he is due.
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    Deep Thoughts by Jack Handey:

    I can picture in my mind a world without war, a world without hate. And I can picture us attacking that world, because they'd never expect it.

    Is there anything more beautiful than a beautiful, beautiful flamingo, flying across in front of a beautiful sunset? And he's carrying a beautiful rose in his beak, and also he's carrying a very beautiful painting with his feet. And also, you're drunk.

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    Overall, i think the biggest lesson learned from last year is that I was getting too excited about my 2nd QB. By and large, I don't think I'll ever draft more than 1 QB in the first 6 rounds, ever again (barring something silly like a marquee QB falling to a 2nd or 3rd round pick that I could then trade for an RB or WR later on...).

    I picked Griese over Favre on a hunch; I had a feeling that 2001 would be the year Iron Brett finally got hurt. Turns out it wasn't. But he IS getting old.

    In the first league, Staley was a bit of a bust, but I picked up Buckhalter to cover injury, so it wasn't TERRIBLE. Muhammad was only ever supposed to be a 3rd WR, and although he had a very mediocre season (500-odd yards and a TD) he did get yards regularly and helpd keep my weekly totals up... remember yards are worth SOME points even if TDs are better.

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    the first draft is filled with mistakes A. Green was first rd pick in all my drafts and letting faulk fall to 4 is ridiculous
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    Hey, I didn't complain that I was able to get Faulkie with Pick 4.

    I LMAO at Culpepper with the first pick... what a disaster. Ahman Green turned out to be a good pick, but it wasn't as clear cut as it seems in retrospect. IIRC, there were a lot of doubts about Green going into the 2001 season.

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    We're Almost Full

    OK, we have 4 slots remaining in the league, and I'd strongly prefer they went to WBBers and not outsiders... if yer gonna sign up, PM me soon, folks!

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    Originally posted by ElPietro
    I am a big Colts fan but I think McNabb is the most talented quarterback in the league by quite a large amount, and is also the best fantasy-wise. I'm sure this isn't really news but I think he still doesn't get the credit he is due.
    I would disagree . . . McNabb was maybe the 7th or 8th most productive fantasy QB last season, depending on how you scored pts in your league . . .

    Warner is the undisputed fantasy king of QBs. Bar none. Head and shoulders above the rest and likely to continue to be so in the forseeable future.

    Garcia, Manning, Brooks, Favre, Gannon . . . these guys all put better numbers up. The key difference, I think, is that McNabb almost kept up with these guys while playing on a team with a lot less talent. He carried that team on his back. His fantasy value was also hurt somewhat in that while his rushing yards were right up there among the best in NFL QBs, he only rushed for 2TDs last year. The other 'mobile' QBs (McNair, Stewart, Culpepper, Garcia) had like 5 TDs each. I think this was a coaching issue, not a skills issue, mind you; Andy Reid likes to punch it in with a big man on goal line plays.

    Is McNabb one of the most talented QBs in the league? Absolutely. Is he the most valuable from a fantasy perspective? Between his continuing lack of premier receivers, doubts about his RB support (Buckhalter is out, Staley is coming off some hurts and Dorsey Levens is NOT the answer), and his best receiver is James Thrash . . . I'd have to say no.

    He'll be fun to watch, but there's at least a half dozen other QBs that are better choices for fantasy ball.

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    bump for the the non euros on the board

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    Originally posted by Callahan


    I would disagree . . . McNabb was maybe the 7th or 8th most productive fantasy QB last season, depending on how you scored pts in your league . . .
    Well unless yer league gives bonus points for interceptions the only ones you can really make a case for are Warner, Garcia and Gannon. All the other Qbs may have equaled him in TDs or passed him by a bit but they will have interceptions in the 20s while NcNabb had 12. I think he is going to get better every year and hopefully the eagles offense can support him. I think McNabb is good because most plays for TDs are his plays. His backs weren't responsible for much scoring last year. So even though eagles offensive output wasn't the highest...McNabb was involved in the majority of it. They don't just pound the ball in like most teams.

    I had him and he was top 3 or 4 last year...not sure how exactly he finished...but I wouldn't say 7 or 8th...but we'll just see...we'll know by week 16.

    My post was more of talking about his skill anyway. I think if you had an overall quarterback all category skill test he would be number one. I love Peyton's work ethic and Gannon's cannon arm, but put them in the eagles offense and I doubt we'd hear all that much from them.
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    woah woah woah gannons cannon arm!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Do you watch football?

    I am a raider fan and Rich Gannon is a smart qb with good decision making ablilities but i have a better arm than that guy
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    I can picture in my mind a world without war, a world without hate. And I can picture us attacking that world, because they'd never expect it.

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    Originally posted by Bam Bam
    I am a raider fan and Rich Gannon is a smart qb with good decision making ablilities but i have a better arm than that guy
    Haven't you heard the saying:

    "Million dollar talent and a ten cent brain"?
    (aka the Vinny Testaverde complex)


    I'll take an experienced and patient gunslinger with an average arm over a cannon-armed foo' anytime. You don't need 60-yd passes to win football games. You just need comps.

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    Last year, the top QBs were:
    Pass Pass Pass Rush Rush FFL
    Quarterback Yrds TDs Int Yds TDs Pts
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    1* WARNER,KURT 4830 36 22 60 0 344
    2* GARCIA,JEFF 3538 32 12 263 5 316
    3* MANNING,PEYTON 4131 26 23 157 4 310
    4* BROOKS,AARON 3832 26 22 362 1 296
    5* FAVRE,BRETT 3923 32 15 56 1 294
    6* GANNON,RICH 3828 27 9 231 2 294
    7* MCNAIR,STEVE 3350 21 12 414 5 286
    8* MCNABB,DONOVAN 3233 25 12 482 2 282
    9* STEWART,KORDELL 3109 14 11 536 5 268
    10* FIEDLER,JAY 3292 20 19 321 4 265


    You can see that McNabb does well, but you can see who put up more points... INTs only matter if you throw more INTs than TDs . . . .

    Anyway, i fully agree that McNabb is talented, but he lacks the supporting cast of the others and he can't always put the whole team on his back every game . . . their O-line also lost two experienced Centres in the offseason, and they are suspect in the middle, I think . . . their tackles are decent, though . . .

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    I don't think I can agree with that. If someone throws 26 TDs and 23 pics how can you say that is better than 25 TDs and 12 pics? Yardage isn't generally very many points in fantasy football...but TDs and pics are. But I guess scoring is different in each fantasy league. That's all I was getting at. And also that is more along the lines of talent too. Not to take anything away from Peyton...half his pics are his retarded receivers bobbling the ball into the hands of the corners. It amazes me what hard luck that guy has. Soon his hick brother Eli will be in the league I'm sure...and their dad says he's better than both of them are.
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    I'm not saying it's better. I'm stating that it's a fact, given the scoring system used by the FFL league we're playing in for this WBB league, that McNabb was the 8th best last year.

    Yes, yards aren't worth as much as TDs, and Yes, INTs subtract from your total pts

    BUT

    When you take a Peyton Manning and factor in that he's throwing for about a THOUSAND more yards over the season, plus rushing in for 4 TDs, there is a lot more upside. Now given that Indy's Defense under Dungy will likely be more competent, this may lead to slightly more conservative offense but that is a whole other ball of wax.

    Projections for QBs' success this year have to be based on:
    1) Performance last year
    2) Supporting cast/changes
    3) Strength of schedule

    Based on these factors, I predict that McNabb will improve slightly over last year, but unless he or some of his largely no-name supporting cast have an exceptional year, he will still be eclipsed in fantasy production by Warner, Garcia, Manning, Culpepper and possibly McNair. Actually, if George can recover from his injuries last season and open things up underneath for McNair, i predict that McNair will have a career season this year; he really showed poise and ability last year WITHOUT George. With him, and with the experience he's gained, he's gonna be scary-good.

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