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The Five Biggest Contradictions in Fitness

It’s no secret that when people contradict themselves, it has the effect of making the flaws in their actions or statements seem glaringly obvious. But what about when WE ourselves get caught contradicting ourselves by someone else?

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    Bane

    I want a body like bane is starting strength the way to go?
    I currently weigh 147lbs at 5ft6.

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    Tryme,

    So I guess you want to improve you over all size and body composition? Well lets get you pointed in the the right direction. If you not already following a workout program, I would suggest the HCT-12 program.

    Here's a link to the info:
    http://www.wannabebig.com/cat/hypert...aining-hct-12/

    What is you current diet? I see that you 17.9 percent bf, I would assume you not a hard gainer.

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    Same height as me and also from England, I see.

    I started at 25yo @ 10st7. HCT-12 was the first year or so of my training and it packed on some serious mass and strength.

    Now I'm sitting at 14st, looking and feeling pretty built, even though there's a long way to go.

    I'd second Matt's suggestion of HCT12, though others on this forum have had good results with 5/3/1 too.

    You'll find some people on here won't have a lot of praise for Starting Strength lol.
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    What program have you been doing? Or are you a complete beginner?

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    Quote Originally Posted by GazzyG View Post
    Same height as me and also from England, I see.

    I started at 25yo @ 10st7. HCT-12 was the first year or so of my training and it packed on some serious mass and strength.

    Now I'm sitting at 14st, looking and feeling pretty built, even though there's a long way to go.

    I'd second Matt's suggestion of HCT12, though others on this forum have had good results with 5/3/1 too.

    You'll find some people on here won't have a lot of praise for Starting Strength lol.
    You damn Brits! Wtf is a stone? Use lbs! Lol
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    Better yet...use Kilos!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rock1984 View Post
    Better yet...use Kilos!!!
    Hahahaha I guess that'd be better too.
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    1 stone = 14 lbs

    Starting Strength is not the program for your purposes.

    HCT-12 is an excellent program. There are other programs in articles on this site you can certainly consider.


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    I disagree. While there are several good programs out there, starting strength is a great program for beginners all the way to moderates. I would buy the book if I were you and read it twice. TONS of great info in there.

    Heck, I did the SS routine for almost a year and it's what got me into lifting.
    210 LBS at 15% BF

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    Sandcracker21,
    I'm going to have to disagree with you on this one. You do not have to lift in a powerlifting styled manner to achieve this look. I've done competitive bodybuilding and transitioned to bodybuilding. I'm carrying was more size now then I ever did when I powerlifting. Hypertrophy styled training is best for adding the size he desires.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sandcracker21 View Post
    I disagree. While there are several good programs out there, starting strength is a great program for beginners all the way to moderates. I would buy the book if I were you and read it twice. TONS of great info in there.

    Heck, I did the SS routine for almost a year and it's what got me into lifting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Matthew Bryduck View Post
    Sandcracker21,
    I'm going to have to disagree with you on this one. You do not have to lift in a powerlifting styled manner to achieve this look. I've done competitive bodybuilding and transitioned to bodybuilding. I'm carrying was more size now then I ever did when I powerlifting. Hypertrophy styled training is best for adding the size he desires.

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    True. But if he's a beginner, the big compound movements will put slabs of mass on him. So a PL program (ss or 531) might be beneficial. Don't ya think?
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    I agree with movements like the bench, squat, and deadlift are beneficial to adding mass, but I disagree with using those programs. I'm pretty sure all those movements are in the HCT-12 program.

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    I thought Bane was gonna show up when the power went out at the Super Bowl.


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    Quote Originally Posted by sandcracker21 View Post
    I disagree. While there are several good programs out there, starting strength is a great program for beginners all the way to moderates. I would buy the book if I were you and read it twice. TONS of great info in there.

    Heck, I did the SS routine for almost a year and it's what got me into lifting.
    Good point, allow me to clarify, Starting Strength is a relatively inferior program. There are MUCH better programs for beginners out there.


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    Quote Originally Posted by joey54 View Post
    I thought Bane was gonna show up when the power went out at the Super Bowl.
    Lol!


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    Quote Originally Posted by joey54 View Post
    I thought Bane was gonna show up when the power went out at the Super Bowl.
    lol

    In reply to the other comments, part of the reason I like SS is the info in the book. If everyone read it (or something like it) then I wouldn't be soo pissed off seeing NO ONE in my gym squating, benching, pressing correctly. Rant over
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    i did SS for a little while at home until i realised my weights and equipment wernt going to be up to scratch when i progressed.
    i then pussied out of going to the gym and here i am.

    I used to box also so couldnt keep weight on as i had quite a strict diet. as i am a light short bloke i needed to keep weight off to keep my speed.

    ive not stopped boxing and just want to be a beast. Bane has inspired me again! lol long live the batman movies.

    i will look into the HCT12. Would really appreciate some dieting tips to.

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    Give us an example of your diet.

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    my diet SUCKS at the moment:

    Morning breakfast:
    porridge or toast (rarely with an egg though )

    lunch:
    Sandwich (usually ham with some salad)
    cold custurd
    or a ready made microwave meal

    dinner:
    usually meat of some sort thats been seasoned or marinaded
    pasta
    veg (peas broccli et al)

    other points:
    i try not to drink too much fizzy drink
    thursday i usually have a take away (in terms of working out i guess this would be my "cheat day" where i have one bad meal).

    i know i need to bang in the carbs a bit more so i want to try having something like a jacket potato with tuna for lunch. I'm thinking peanut butter on toast for breakfast too. with a shake?

    i need more (cheap) ideas!

    Also, i've heard about this 5x5 routine thing. whats that like? its all basic compound movements.


    Thanks alll,
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    If you want to bulk up, get big and strong and 'Bane-like' then you need to practically double what you're eating.

    And not worry about exactly what it consists of, too!

    Bacon and eggs.
    Asda smartprice noodles (10p a pack... two of these in a bowl is 800kcals and doused in soy sauce they taste epic. Cheap, cheap calories).
    A whole can of corned beef fried in a pan with onions and mixed veg.
    Wash every meal down with a pint of whole milk.

    These are examples of things you can eat to bulk up on the cheap - it doesn't all have to be steak and chicken breast!

    Building big muscle is hard work and takes some serious eating. With it, you will gain a little bit of fat, but no-one's going to notice unless you have your top off all the time! And with your top on, you won't look like you have any fat, you'll just look hench.

    And the key point to remember is, fat burns off SO quick once you've built the muscle beneath it.

    Gorge yourself for a year whilst blasting HCT-12 and you'll gain one, maybe two stone. Then at the end of that year, spend three or four weeks dietting off maybe 7lbs of excess fat and you'll look like a beast compared to what you are now!
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    good news is im getting hungry thinking about it.
    thanks for the input. i need to just get on with it now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GazzyG View Post
    If you want to bulk up, get big and strong and 'Bane-like' then you need to practically double what you're eating.

    And not worry about exactly what it consists of, too!

    Bacon and eggs.
    Asda smartprice noodles (10p a pack... two of these in a bowl is 800kcals and doused in soy sauce they taste epic. Cheap, cheap calories).
    A whole can of corned beef fried in a pan with onions and mixed veg.
    Wash every meal down with a pint of whole milk.

    These are examples of things you can eat to bulk up on the cheap - it doesn't all have to be steak and chicken breast!

    Building big muscle is hard work and takes some serious eating. With it, you will gain a little bit of fat, but no-one's going to notice unless you have your top off all the time! And with your top on, you won't look like you have any fat, you'll just look hench.

    And the key point to remember is, fat burns off SO quick once you've built the muscle beneath it.

    Gorge yourself for a year whilst blasting HCT-12 and you'll gain one, maybe two stone. Then at the end of that year, spend three or four weeks dietting off maybe 7lbs of excess fat and you'll look like a beast compared to what you are now!
    Except he's already at almost 18% body fat and only 147 lbs. He's going to need to lose a lot more fat than that to have any definition at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bruiser View Post
    Except he's already at almost 18% body fat and only 147 lbs. He's going to need to lose a lot more fat than that to have any definition at all.
    Fair comment, though I thought he wanted to look like Bane?

    Bane in the movie doesn't have much definition. He's just big lol.
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    As he gains muscle mass, his bodyfat percentage should naturally decrease. The one thing people seem to be missing is bane or tom hardy as it were has always been in relatively good shape. He pulled bronson off superbly. Dudes got some traps but I dont think he really is that big, I think of big in the terms of derek poundstone, mike ruggiera back in the day, you know, 300lbs+ men etc. I'm going off topic anyway.

    The bottom line is you are 147lbs. If you want to look like bane you need a serious base of muscle mass first, If you can get to 200lbs you are well on your way. Bulk first and build your foundation of muscle mass before even thinking about cutting and there are many many ways of going about that (im not getting into the clean bulk/dirty bulk debate.) I dont think it really matters at your point in training how you go about it, just make sure you are performing plenty of the compound movements, ie Squat, Deadlift, Bench Press, Overhead press, chins, dips, barbell rows, stiff leg deadlifts, barbell curls and the like and eating a surplus of calories. Hell, you could probably milk linear progression all the way to 200+.
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    thank you guys. i will deff be bulking first then cutting. cheers
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