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The Five Biggest Contradictions in Fitness

Itís no secret that when people contradict themselves, it has the effect of making the flaws in their actions or statements seem glaringly obvious. But what about when WE ourselves get caught contradicting ourselves by someone else?

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    Wannabebig New Member
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    Help. Shakes are making me crash hard.

    Hey everyone,

    I am 5'10 and about 145. I got up to about 160 at one point and that's been the most I've ever weighed. I have to take in a ton of calories to put on any weight.

    So I try to go through one of these shakes a day. But the problem is I crash 20 minutes afterwards quite hard. Can barely keep my eyes open, etc.

    Is there anything I can change to prevent the crashes?

    Shake consists of:

    3 cups milk
    1 cup oats
    3 scoops BSN True-Mass Strawberry Milkshake

    Thanks everyone.

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    Try a shake with equal calories but less carbs and more protein and fat and see if that helps.
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    why milk?? to much dang sugar.

    use egg whites..
    1 cup of oats isnt that many carbs at all..
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    Yeah I tried going without oats today. Used some peanut butter instead, but it didn't help.

    You think I should use egg whites instead of milk? How much would you suggest I add to my shake?

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    Quote Originally Posted by tcooper View Post
    why milk?? to much dang sugar.

    use egg whites..
    1 cup of oats isnt that many carbs at all..

    50g is significant. Add those to the 90g in his gainer and its evident he's crashing from either too many carbs, or simply just the total overall calorie load. 39g of lactose is not the variable to start at imo.

    Quote Originally Posted by colorado View Post
    Yeah I tried going without oats today. Used some peanut butter instead, but it didn't help.

    You think I should use egg whites instead of milk? How much would you suggest I add to my shake?
    I wouldn't. Finish off that junk weightgainer and just use a protein powder, some of your oats, milk, and some fats like PB. Dthat gainer is 90g of maltodextrin per serving. Ditch those calories by using more straight protein powder and fat and I bet there is improvement.

    If not, you'll have to try and spread out your calories into smaller servings or just suck it up and accept that its worth making progress for.
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    Thanks Behemoth.

    Do you have any recommendations for adding fat and calories to the shake? I will look into other protein powders for sure.

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    Use whole milk and more peanut butter. A tablespoon or two of oil should go undetected in taste.

    Don't forget that you have to eat big all day if you're struggling to gain weight. There's no magic or purpose in a shake if it offsets the amount of food you consume the rest of the day. if you're naturally thin/small you're going to have to tolerate the feeling of being full and quite possibly the crash.

    There's truly nothing wrong with eating right before bed so that may be something else to consider as far as meal/shake timing vs energy levels is concerned.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Behemoth View Post
    if you're naturally thin/small you're going to have to tolerate the feeling of being full and quite possibly the crash.
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    Complex carbs. You might want to up these to help smooth out your simple sugar intake. Do you have access to lots of food? I'm talking Meat & Potatoes, Bread etc.....

    It will take time. You can change your body. You just have to be a persistent bugger about it. It's your body, take it to the Max.
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    still don't understand why people recommend whole milk.. the macros are horrible. IMO id much rather get my carbs from oats, or such and fats from PB or olive oil...

    Egg whites + oats + olive oil and maybe a scoop of whey is a better shake imo..
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    3 cups of milk in one shake?

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    tcopper,

    This gentleman is trying to put on size. Ever heard of the Gomad diet?

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    putting on size doesnt = getting fat..

    gomad diet is freaking horrible....
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    still don't understand why people recommend whole milk.. the macros are horrible
    Care to elaborate?

    3 cups of milk in one shake?
    Why does that surprise you?

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    whole milk vita D

    1 cup = 160 cals
    8g fat ( 5 is saturated )
    total carbs 13g ( 12 is sugar)
    Total protein is 8


    so all of the carbs are sugar and all of the fats are saturated... how is that good compared to

    Egg whites + oats + olive oil..
    I dont care if youre trying to gain weight or cut you should still eat the same just more or less...

    the im bulking attitude lets get to 20% BF is a mistake..
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    Oh no sugar and fat??!?!? I think my heart just stopped.

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    lol! don't get me wrong man i love my damn milk! i would do some nasty things for some milk and cereal right now.

    but as ive learned (from bodybuilding viewpoint) its really not a good choice for calories. To each their own tho, different people, different goals. just voicing my opinion is all
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    The dude is 145lbs at 5'10", I'm sure 3 cups of milk a day isn't going to the deciding factor of him getting to 20 percent bf.

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    When it comes down to it, it's calories in verse calories out. Yes, calories from oats and egg whites might be better for you in the super long run compared to whole milk (as far as health is concerned, even then, I'm saying that loosely). But from an aesthetic approach, if both give the same amount of calories, it doesn't make a difference as far as BF goes.
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    He's got a point, though.... shoveling down a big load of relatively unhealthy crap is NOT the way to gain quality weight. I don't really like GOMAD either, though I do know it's worked for some guys who really CAN'T take in enough whole calories. (Shit, I can house 6-7k without too much thought, but I do love good food).

    Don't get me wrong, I do believe a calorie is a calorie, but it also pains me to see skinny guys suddenly start pounding WAY too many calories without ramping up their training intensity enough and going from skinny to skinny fat. It also does pay to take a moment to consider the health aspects of these things. (Again, not that saturated fat is in any way "bad", nor that sugar itself is necessarily bad either... just presenting the other side. )
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alex.V View Post
    He's got a point, though.... shoveling down a big load of relatively unhealthy crap is NOT the way to gain quality weight. I don't really like GOMAD either, though I do know it's worked for some guys who really CAN'T take in enough whole calories. (Shit, I can house 6-7k without too much thought, but I do love good food).

    Don't get me wrong, I do believe a calorie is a calorie, but it also pains me to see skinny guys suddenly start pounding WAY too many calories without ramping up their training intensity enough and going from skinny to skinny fat. It also does pay to take a moment to consider the health aspects of these things. (Again, not that saturated fat is in any way "bad", nor that sugar itself is necessarily bad either... just presenting the other side. )
    Most definitely...it's all about balance.
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    Why do all milk arguments seem to turn to GOMAD as if its GOMAD or nothing. Plenty of room in between.

    He's got a point, though.... shoveling down a big load of relatively unhealthy crap is NOT the way to gain quality weight.
    Alex, are you speaking in broad terms or do you actually rate whole milk as 'relatively unhealthy crap'?

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    Alex V,

    I would love to see you shovel down 6-7k of calories of clean food. I really don't see that happening. When I refer to clean foods I mean lean meats and complex carbs.

    Matt

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matthew Bryduck View Post
    The dude is 145lbs at 5'10", I'm sure 3 cups of milk a day isn't going to the deciding factor of him getting to 20 percent bf.
    I was thinking he meant he had several shakes a day w/ three cups of milk in each .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matthew Bryduck View Post
    Alex V,

    I would love to see you shovel down 6-7k of calories of clean food. I really don't see that happening. When I refer to clean foods I mean lean meats and complex carbs.

    Matt
    I put down that much in clean cals. It's not that hard once you get used to it..
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