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    Please review this diet and give me some feedback......

    A while ago I paid a nutritionist to write me a diet based on my goals at the time. At the time I wanted to get leaner while maintaining as much of the little bit of muscle I had. It certainly worked, but I abandoned it for 2 reasons. The main reason is my girlfriend got pregnant, and she was eating everything! It was extremely difficult to eat properly while having a ton of shit food in the house, she wants ice cream every half hour, etc. Yes, I could have been headstrong and avoided getting into all of that, but I said fuck it. I felt that if she was gonna get fat and miserable, then the least I could do was do it with her so she wasn't alone. Well it worked, because now I'm fat and miserable, and her crazy eating is long gone. We haven't had the baby yet but she doesn't eat like that anymore. Unfortunately I still do (I swear I'm addicted). The 2nd reason is that this diet relies on a lot of vegetables. I don't eat vegetables. Never have, they all taste disgusting to me. I know, I'm being a little bitch, but it's the way it is. If there's any suggestions as to how to navigate around that, I'm very open to any help there.

    Here's what I have:
    300g day
    Meal 1
    Protein: Choose One
    · 40g of whey protein
    · 10 egg whites
    Carbohydrates: Choose One
    · 1 cup oats (no calorie sweeteners like splenda or cinnamon can be used)
    · 4 slices Ezekiel bread/wheat bread
    · cup Kashi GoLean by Kellogs

    Meal 2
    Protein: Choose One(Weighed Raw)
    · 9oz chicken breast no skin boiled with water and spices or grilled…
    · 9 oz turkey breast
    · 9oz Salmon
    · 10oz Rainbow Trout
    · 9oz Tuna in Water pack/can (must add 1/2tbsp olive oil or 1tbsp peanut butter)

    Carbohydrates: Choose One
    · 10oz sweet potato (please do not mash it.. either cook in oven for 45 min no oil or throw in microwave for 5 min)
    · 10oz yams (please do not mash it.. either cook in oven for 45 min no oil or throw in microwave for 5 min)
    · 1.5 cups brown rice weighed cooked
    · 14oz red/blue/purple potatoes
    · 3 slices whole wheat bread
    · 3oz quinoa weighed dry
    · 2 whole wheat tortillas (8” diameter)
    · 1.5 cup red kidney beans
    · 1.5 cup black beans

    Vegetables: Choose One Cup (Mix&Match OK)
    · Kale, Collards, Mustard Greens
    · Broccoli
    · Asparagus
    · Sprouts (bean, alfalfa, etc.)
    · Celery
    · Radishes
    · Sea Vegetables (Nori, etc)
    · Mushrooms
    · Cabbage (or sauerkraut)
    · Jicama
    · Okra
    · Cucumbers (or pickles without added sugars)
    · Green Beans and Wax Beans
    · Fennel
    · Cauliflower
    · Peppers
    · Green Bell Peppers
    · Red Bell Peppers
    · Jalapeno Peppers
    · Zucchini
    · Brussels Sprouts
    · Scallions or green onions
    · Snow Peas/Snap Peas/Pea Pods
    · Tomatoes
    · Eggplant
    · Tomatillos
    · Artichokes
    · Turnips
    · Celery Root (Celeriac)
    · Carrots
    · Onions
    · Leeks

    Meal 3
    Protein: Choose One(Weighed Raw)
    · 8oz chicken breast no skin boiled with water and spices or grilled…
    · 8 oz turkey breast (ground turkey breast is ok)
    · 8oz Salmon
    · 9oz Rainbow Trout
    · 8oz Tuna in Water pack/can (must add 1/2tbsp olive oil or 1tbsp peanut butter)

    Carbohydrates: Choose One
    · 8oz sweet potato (please do not mash it.. either cook in oven for 45 min no oil or throw in microwave for 5 min)
    · 8oz yams (please do not mash it.. either cook in oven for 45 min no oil or throw in microwave for 5 min)
    · 1.5 cups brown rice weighed cooked
    · 10oz red/blue/purple potatoes
    · 3 slices whole wheat bread
    · 3oz quinoa weighed dry
    · 1 whole wheat tortillas (8” diameter)
    · 1 cup red kidney beans
    · 1 cup black beans

    Vegetables: Choose One Cup (Mix&Match OK)
    · Kale, Collards, Mustard Greens
    · Broccoli
    · Asparagus
    · Sprouts (bean, alfalfa, etc.)
    · Celery
    · Radishes
    · Sea Vegetables (Nori, etc)
    · Mushrooms
    · Cabbage (or sauerkraut)
    · Jicama
    · Okra
    · Cucumbers (or pickles without added sugars)
    · Green Beans and Wax Beans
    · Fennel
    · Cauliflower
    · Peppers
    · Green Bell Peppers
    · Red Bell Peppers
    · Jalapeno Peppers
    · Zucchini
    · Brussels Sprouts
    · Scallions or green onions
    · Snow Peas/Snap Peas/Pea Pods
    · Tomatoes
    · Eggplant
    · Tomatillos
    · Artichokes
    · Turnips
    · Celery Root (Celeriac)
    · Carrots
    · Onions
    · Leeks

    Meal 4
    Protein: Choose One(Weighed Raw)
    · 8oz chicken breast no skin boiled with water and spices or grilled…
    · 10 oz turkey breast (ground turkey breast is ok)
    · 9oz Salmon
    · 10oz Rainbow Trout
    · 9oz Tuna in Water pack/can (must add 1/2tbsp olive oil or 1tbsp peanut butter)

    Carbohydrates: Choose One
    · 10oz sweet potato (please do not mash it.. either cook in oven for 45 min no oil or throw in microwave for 5 min)
    · 10oz yams (please do not mash it.. either cook in oven for 45 min no oil or throw in microwave for 5 min)
    · 2 cups brown rice weighed cooked
    · 14oz red/blue/purple potatoes
    · 4 slices whole wheat bread
    · 4oz quinoa weighed dry
    · 2 whole wheat tortillas (8” diameter)
    · 1.5 cup red kidney beans
    · 1.5 cup black beans

    Meal 5 post workout
    · 40g whey
    Carbohydrates: Choose One
    · 1 whole white bagel
    · ½ Cup white rice
    · 1 Cup Pasta

    Meal 6
    Protein: Choose One(Weighed Raw)
    · 4oz London broil (round steak) again.. very little to no oil.. ¼ tablespoon olive oil.. grilling or boiling would be best.. (but boiling tastes like crap if you don’t do it right.. experiment..)
    · 40g casein shakes
    · 1.5 cups cottage cheese
    · 1.5 cups nonfat Greek yogurt
    · 6oz 95/5 and leaner ground beef
    · 6oz roast beef
    Vegetables: Choose One Cup (Mix&Match OK)
    · Kale, Collards, Mustard Greens
    · Broccoli
    · Asparagus
    · Sprouts (bean, alfalfa, etc.)
    · Celery
    · Radishes
    · Sea Vegetables (Nori, etc)
    · Mushrooms
    · Cabbage (or sauerkraut)
    · Jicama
    · Okra
    · Cucumbers (or pickles without added sugars)
    · Green Beans and Wax Beans
    · Fennel
    · Cauliflower
    · Peppers
    · Green Bell Peppers
    · Red Bell Peppers
    · Jalapeno Peppers
    · Zuchinni
    · Brussel Sprouts
    · Scallions or green onions
    · Snow Peas/Snap Peas/Pea Pods
    · Tomatoes
    · Eggplant
    · Tomatillos
    · Artichokes
    · Turnips
    · Celery Root (Celeriac)
    · Carrots
    · Onions
    · Leeks


    200g day
    Meal 1
    2 whole eggs + 3 egg whites + 25g shake + 1/2tbsp olive oil for cooking
    Carbohydrates: Choose One
    · 1 cup oats (no calorie sweeteners like splenda or cinnamon can be used)
    · 4 slices Ezekiel bread/wheat bread
    · cup Kashi GoLean by Kellogs

    Meal 2
    Protein: Choose One(Weighed Raw)
    · 8oz chicken breast no skin boiled with water and spices or grilled…
    · 10 oz turkey breast
    · 8oz Salmon
    · 9oz Rainbow Trout
    · 7oz Tuna in Water pack/can (must add 1/2tbsp olive oil or 1tbsp peanut butter)
    + ½ tablespoon olive oil for cooking
    Carbohydrates: Choose One
    · 7oz sweet potato (please do not mash it.. either cook in oven for 45 min no oil or throw in microwave for 5 min)
    · 7oz yams (please do not mash it.. either cook in oven for 45 min no oil or throw in microwave for 5 min)
    · 1 cups brown rice weighed cooked
    · 8oz red/blue/purple potatoes
    · 3 slices whole wheat bread
    · 3oz quinoa weighed dry
    · 2 whole wheat tortillas (8” diameter)
    · 1 cup red kidney beans
    · 1 cup black beans

    Meal 3
    ground turkey breast 6oz (you can also do just turkey breast but the meat not the deli stuff, if you want to do the deli stuff let me know we can work something out)
    1 tablespoon olive oil for cooking
    1 cup veggies

    Meal 4
    Protein: Choose One (Weighed Raw)
    · 8oz chicken breast no skin boiled with water and spices or grilled…
    · 10 oz turkey breast
    · 8oz Salmon
    · 9oz Rainbow Trout
    · 8oz Tuna in Water pack/can (must add 1/2tbsp olive oil or 1tbsp peanut butter)
    Fats: Choose One
    · ½ avocado
    · 1tbsp Peanut Butter
    · 1tbsp Almond Butter
    · 1tbsp Olive Oil
    · 20 pieces almonds
    · 20 pieces peanuts
    · 15 pieces brazil nuts
    · 20 pieces cashews
    · 30 pieces pistachio
    Carbohydrates: Choose One
    · 6oz sweet potato (please do not mash it.. either cook in oven for 45 min no oil or throw in microwave for 5 min)
    · 6oz yams (please do not mash it.. either cook in oven for 45 min no oil or throw in microwave for 5 min)
    · 1 cups brown rice weighed cooked
    · 8oz red/blue/purple potatoes
    · 2 slices whole wheat bread
    · 2oz quinoa weighed dry
    · 1 whole wheat tortillas (8” diameter)
    · 1 cup red kidney beans
    · 1 cup black beans

    Vegetables: Choose One Cup (Mix&Match OK)
    · Kale, Collards, Mustard Greens
    · Broccoli
    · Asparagus
    · Sprouts (bean, alfalfa, etc.)
    · Celery
    · Radishes
    · Sea Vegetables (Nori, etc)
    · Mushrooms
    · Cabbage (or sauerkraut)
    · Jicama
    · Okra
    · Cucumbers (or pickles without added sugars)
    · Green Beans and Wax Beans
    · Fennel
    · Cauliflower
    · Peppers
    · Green Bell Peppers
    · Red Bell Peppers
    · Jalapeno Peppers
    · Zucchini
    · Brussels Sprouts
    · Scallions or green onions
    · Snow Peas/Snap Peas/Pea Pods
    · Tomatoes
    · Eggplant
    · Tomatillos
    · Artichokes
    · Turnips
    · Celery Root (Celeriac)
    · Carrots
    · Onions
    · Leeks

    Meal 5 pwo
    Whey shake 40g + 1 whole white bagel + 1 tbsp Peanut Butter

    Meal 6
    Protein: Choose One(Weighed Raw)
    · 6oz new York steak
    · 6oz London broil (round steak) again.. very little to no oil.. ¼ tablespoon olive oil.. grilling or boiling would be best.. (but boiling tastes like crap if you don’t do it right.. experiment..)
    · 40g casein shakes
    · 2 cups cottage cheese
    · 2 cups nonfat Greek yogurt
    · 6oz 95/5 and leaner ground beef
    · 6oz roast beef
    + ¼ tablespoon olive oil for cooking
    Vegetables: Choose One Cup (Mix&Match OK)
    · Kale, Collards, Mustard Greens
    · Broccoli
    · Asparagus
    · Sprouts (bean, alfalfa, etc.)
    · Celery
    · Radishes
    · Sea Vegetables (Nori, etc)
    · Mushrooms
    · Cabbage (or sauerkraut)
    · Jicama
    · Okra
    · Cucumbers (or pickles without added sugars)
    · Green Beans and Wax Beans
    · Fennel
    · Cauliflower
    · Peppers
    · Green Bell Peppers
    · Red Bell Peppers
    · Jalapeno Peppers
    · Zucchini
    · Brussels Sprouts
    · Scallions or green onions
    · Snow Peas/Snap Peas/Pea Pods
    · Tomatoes
    · Eggplant
    · Tomatillos
    · Artichokes
    · Turnips
    · Celery Root (Celeriac)
    · Carrots
    · Onions
    · Leeks


    100g day
    Meal 1
    Choose One Breakfast Meal
    · 2 whole eggs + 3 egg whites +1 tablespoon olive oil for cooking + 25g shake
    · 40g Whey Shake + 1tbsp peanut/almond butter
    Meal 2
    Protein: Choose One (Weighed Raw)
    · 8oz chicken breast no skin boiled with water and spices or grilled…
    · 10 oz turkey breast
    · 8oz Salmon
    · 9oz Rainbow Trout
    · 8oz Tuna in Water pack/can (must add 1/2tbsp olive oil or 1tbsp peanut butter)
    + 1 tablespoon olive oil for cooking
    Vegetables: Choose One Cup (Mix&Match OK)
    · Kale, Collards, Mustard Greens
    · Broccoli
    · Asparagus
    · Sprouts (bean, alfalfa, etc.)
    · Celery
    · Radishes
    · Sea Vegetables (Nori, etc)
    · Mushrooms
    · Cabbage (or sauerkraut)
    · Jicama
    · Okra
    · Cucumbers (or pickles without added sugars)
    · Green Beans and Wax Beans
    · Fennel
    · Cauliflower
    · Peppers
    · Green Bell Peppers
    · Red Bell Peppers
    · Jalapeno Peppers
    · Zucchini
    · Brussels Sprouts
    · Scallions or green onions
    · Snow Peas/Snap Peas/Pea Pods
    · Tomatoes
    · Eggplant
    · Tomatillos
    · Artichokes
    · Turnips
    · Celery Root (Celeriac)
    · Carrots
    · Onions
    · Leeks


    Meal 3
    Protein: Choose One (Weighed Raw)
    · 8oz chicken breast no skin boiled with water and spices or grilled…
    · 10 oz turkey breast
    · 8oz Salmon
    · 9oz Rainbow Trout
    · 8oz Tuna in Water pack/can (must add 1/2tbsp olive oil or 1tbsp peanut butter)
    Fats: Choose One
    · 1/2 avocado
    · 1tbsp Peanut Butter
    · 1tbsp Almond Butter
    · 1tbsp Olive Oil
    · 20 pieces almonds
    · 20pieces peanuts
    · 15 pieces brazil nuts
    · 15 pieces cashews
    · 25 pieces pistachio

    Vegetables: Choose One Cup (Mix&Match OK)
    · Kale, Collards, Mustard Greens
    · Broccoli
    · Asparagus
    · Sprouts (bean, alfalfa, etc.)
    · Celery
    · Radishes
    · Sea Vegetables (Nori, etc)
    · Mushrooms
    · Cabbage (or sauerkraut)
    · Jicama
    · Okra
    · Cucumbers (or pickles without added sugars)
    · Green Beans and Wax Beans
    · Fennel
    · Cauliflower
    · Peppers
    · Green Bell Peppers
    · Red Bell Peppers
    · Jalapeno Peppers
    · Zucchini
    · Brussels Sprouts
    · Scallions or green onions
    · Snow Peas/Snap Peas/Pea Pods
    · Tomatoes
    · Eggplant
    · Tomatillos
    · Artichokes
    · Turnips
    · Celery Root (Celeriac)
    · Carrots
    · Onions
    · Leeks

    Meal 4
    Protein: Choose One (Weighed Raw)
    · 8oz chicken breast no skin boiled with water and spices or grilled…
    · 10 oz turkey breast
    · 8oz Salmon
    · 9oz Rainbow Trout
    · 8oz Tuna in Water pack/can (must add 1/2tbsp olive oil or 1tbsp peanut butter)
    Fats: Choose One
    · 1/2 avocado
    · 1tbsp Peanut Butter
    · 1tbsp Almond Butter
    · 1tbsp Olive Oil
    Carbohydrates: Choose One
    · 8oz sweet potato (please do not mash it.. either cook in oven for 45 min no oil or throw in microwave for 5 min)
    · 8oz yams (please do not mash it.. either cook in oven for 45 min no oil or throw in microwave for 5 min)
    · 1.5 cups brown rice weighed cooked
    · 10oz red/blue/purple potatoes
    · 4 slices whole wheat bread
    · 3oz quinoa weighed dry
    · 2 whole wheat tortillas (8” diameter)
    · 1 cup red kidney beans
    · 1 cup black beans


    Meal 5
    40g whey shake
    1 white bagel
    1 tbsp. Peanut Butter

    Meal 6
    Protein: Choose One(Weighed Raw)
    · 6oz new York steak
    · 6oz London broil (round steak) again.. very little to no oil.. ¼ tablespoon olive oil.. grilling or boiling would be best.. (but boiling tastes like crap if you don’t do it right.. experiment..)
    · 40g casein shakes
    · 2 cups cottage cheese
    · 2 cups nonfat Greek yogurt
    · 6oz 95/5 and leaner ground beef
    · 6oz roast beef
    + 1 tablespoon olive oil for cooking
    Vegetables: Choose One Cup (Mix&Match OK)
    · Kale, Collards, Mustard Greens
    · Broccoli
    · Asparagus
    · Sprouts (bean, alfalfa, etc.)
    · Celery
    · Radishes
    · Sea Vegetables (Nori, etc)
    · Mushrooms
    · Cabbage (or sauerkraut)
    · Jicama
    · Okra
    · Cucumbers (or pickles without added sugars)
    · Green Beans and Wax Beans
    · Fennel
    · Cauliflower
    · Peppers
    · Green Bell Peppers
    · Red Bell Peppers
    · Jalapeno Peppers
    · Zucchini
    · Brussels Sprouts
    · Scallions or green onions
    · Snow Peas/Snap Peas/Pea Pods
    · Tomatoes
    · Eggplant
    · Tomatillos
    · Artichokes
    · Turnips
    · Celery Root (Celeriac)
    · Carrots
    · Onions
    · Leeks

    I know, it's a long read. Monday is a 300g carb day, Tues is a 200g, Wed is 100g, thurs 300g, Fri, Sat, and Sunday are 100g. I tend to turn EVERYTHING into a competition for myself, it helps me get excited about it and keeps me motivated. So what I've decided is to try to get lean by the time my kid gets here. I have just under 3 months (well, anywhere from 2-3 months). My goals will be to lose fat, maintain muscle, and maybe put on more? Who the hell knows. I'm so clueless when it comes to this stuff. As far as workouts go, I love the 5/3/1 I've been on, but I don't know if I should switch to a more conventional bodybuilding type of workout. Maybe add cardio to the mix? I just don't want to get weaker.

    So there it is, is there anyone that would like to take a stab at helping me out? I sit right now at 235lbs, I feel like I'm 335. I'm pretty depressed about what I've done to myself, I really like to sit at 200-210. I'm 6'4, damn near 36 years old.
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    Damn, that looks long as hell. I'm sorry!
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    What is your maintenance calorie intake?

    You've don't have to eat vegg when cutting but it makes life a LOT easier. It leaves room for more food, more chewing, more fullness. I can cut without veg but I'm miserable.

    I take two tablespoons of cocconut oil and I sautee some garlic in a frying pan that has a lid. Then I throw in green vegg & peppers and steam it for 4 minutes with the lid on.

    It's damn tasty. Then you find a tasty salad dressing like rasperry and pound salads.

    I eat a huge plate or bowl of veg every day after my second meal. It makes nailing a diet so much easier.

    Also pick a goal. If you're cutting then you're cutting and you only aim to hold onto muscle and strength.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Holto View Post
    What is your maintenance calorie intake?

    You've don't have to eat vegg when cutting but it makes life a LOT easier. It leaves room for more food, more chewing, more fullness. I can cut without veg but I'm miserable.

    I take two tablespoons of cocconut oil and I sautee some garlic in a frying pan that has a lid. Then I throw in green vegg & peppers and steam it for 4 minutes with the lid on.

    It's damn tasty. Then you find a tasty salad dressing like rasperry and pound salads.

    I eat a huge plate or bowl of veg every day after my second meal. It makes nailing a diet so much easier.

    Also pick a goal. If you're cutting then you're cutting and you only aim to hold onto muscle and strength.
    This seems like golden advice.
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    This diet seems incredibly low in fat. If you are natural, fat is crucial to test production. I would keep it gluten free, use coconut oil instead of evoo, and can we have some current pics. I'm generally not a fan of high carbohydrate diets and some of the carb choices you have.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matthew Bryduck View Post
    This diet seems incredibly low in fat. If you are natural, fat is crucial to test production. I would keep it gluten free, use coconut oil instead of evoo, and can we have some current pics. I'm generally not a fan of high carbohydrate diets and some of the carb choices you have.
    Why would you keep it gluten free? This is just plain silly general advice.
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    TL;DR.

    That is the most complicated thing I have ever seen. If that was what you had to decipher just to begin a diet, I would just be content with being 20% BF.

    I am doing the exact opposite with good success. Just eating the exact same thing every day and IIFYM. I don't believe in "healthy" eating. Well, I believe it has benefits, but people blow it out of proportion. I have done IIFYM for quite a long time and my blood panels always come back stellar.

    I just follow this. Simple. Works. Easy to make changes when fat loss stalls.

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    FYI, I know that feeling about how you feel at 235+. If you're natty, that is about as heavy as you ever wanna get anyway at your height. I got all the way up to 250 before. I am still carrying some of that stomach fat now at 212 because of it.
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    Behemoth, I also think the same way dairy and eggs because they are allergens for most people, but they fail to realize it because they've never taken them out of there diet.

    1. Gluten inflames the brain. The auto-immune response to ingesting inflames the brain. It deposits a type of plaque that interferes with proper communication between cells. Gluten is so bad for brain function that I know of at least one Formula One stable who bans their pilots from eating it.

    2. The glutamate content in gluten kills brain cells. Glutamate is an excitotoxin, which means it overexcites brain cells, which either damages or kills them. Its docking station in the brain is called the NMDA (N-methyl-D-aspartate receptor). Excessive excitation of this receptor is linked to many psychiatric disorders.

    3. Gluten has been linked to autism. EVERY single client who came in for a consult to help their autistic child, have seen that the removal of gluten that the most influential factor to heal their child. They can also how reintroducing by accident, such as birthday cake consumption at a friend’s place immediately flares up all behavioral changes associated with autism.

    4. Gluten is associated to osteo-arthritis. Removal of gluten from the diet, immediately attenuates pain levels.

    5. Gluten can induce depression. The inflammatory responses associated with gluten consumption can induce depressive symptoms. No amount of meditation or talk therapy will get you of depression if you are gluten sensitive. Fixing your biology is crucial before undergoing any psychotherapy.

    6. Gluten will ramp down your thyroid. Food intolerance to gluten has been shown negatively affect thyroid function.

    7. Avoid developing celiac disease. In order to develop celiac disease, you need three things 1) genetic predisposition 2) an environmental trigger such as surgery, excessive stress, or a virus 3) a diet that contains gluten. If you avoid gluten, you cannot develop celiac disease.

    8. Gluten aggravates menopausal symptoms. All functional medicine practitioners will agree that removing gluten from the diet lowers dramatically the frequency and severity of the symptoms traditionally associated with menopause such as night sweats, hot flashes, headaches, mood swings, and fatigue.

    9. Gluten is associated with accelerated aging. For example, dermatologist Nicholas Perricone M.D., points that the inflammation associated with wheat leads to faster wrinkling processes, and avoidance of wheat leads to faster skin regeneration.

    10. Gluten exacerbates auto-immune diseases symptoms. Multiple studies have shown that removal of gluten from the diet lowers all symptoms commonly see with auto-immune diseases.

    11. Gluten weakens tooth enamel and leads to cavities. Consumption of gluten has been linked to more frequent tooth decay and loss of tooth enamel.

    12. Gluten negatively affects body composition. When one stops eating gluten, BioSignature practitioners see immediate drops in subscapular, mid-axillary, umbilical, and supra-illiac sites. That is because gluten raises insulin dramatically and since it is also a strong allergen raises cortisol. The combination of raising both hormones leads to central obesity.

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    Quiet I'm going to stay.
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    I'm not opposed to discussing this topic, that's if you have something intelligent to say.

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    All those things you listed are in fact true, but at the same time if you truly eat whole unprocessed foods then gluten would naturally be an extremely small part of the diet anyway except maybe oatmeal, which should not even be an issue as along as you remain with natural foods.

    So when I hear eat "gluten free" foods it is more marketing based, just like "sugar free" foods were in the 90s. Just eat unprocessed and unrefined foods and 90% of the population would be healthy. And occasionally when you have a cheat meal if you are 90% on eating natural foods its not going to cause any of the problems associated with Gluten. You have to realize these studies done to discover what Gluten can cause is done on individuals who eat unprocessed food all the time, and too much of a lot of things can have negative effects.

    I'm not saying Gluten is good for you by any means, but saying someone has to be gluten free to be healthy is a misrepresentation of what the actual truth is, in other words its taken out of context. Just like the some studies on sucralose stating negative effects and coffee. Someone almost always has a predisposition for their issue or it was caused by overconsumption, which is the biggest problem in America.
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    Uh.

    Can you back up a single one of those statements?
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    Not some of the mechanisms, btw. For example, glutamate IS an excitotoxin, but is also an amino acid contained in nearly every protein. Though gluten is high in glutamic acid, I'm not certain why you'd think it has the unique property where it can somehow dump its glutamate into high concentrations directly into the brain.

    I'm talking about the hand waving about "many people find that when they stop taking gluten, they start shitting rainbows and a fairy gains her wings"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alex.V View Post
    Not some of the mechanisms, btw. For example, glutamate IS an excitotoxin, but is also an amino acid contained in nearly every protein. Though gluten is high in glutamic acid, I'm not certain why you'd think it has the unique property where it can somehow dump its glutamate into high concentrations directly into the brain.

    I'm talking about the hand waving about "many people find that when they stop taking gluten, they start shitting rainbows and a fairy gains her wings"
    You need to have your own television show, preferably right after Dr. Oz. Something to counter act all the bullshit (Dr. Oz being the worst of the bunch) about health and nutrition.

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    Elephant in the room.

    There is one.

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    Another argument we could discuss is just because you body could tolerate it doesn't mean that its optimal... Do you understand what damage gluten causes to your small intestine? In all humans grains cause the body to produce too much of the protein zonulin. This excess causes the junctions between cells in the small intestine to open way too much. Toxins and gluten fragments can be released into the bloods, a condition known as leaky gut.

    By all means its your choice to ingest gluten, but you can not turn a blind eye as what it does to your body.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matthew Bryduck View Post
    Another argument we could discuss is just because you body could tolerate it doesn't mean that its optimal... Do you understand what damage gluten causes to your small intestine? In all humans grains cause the body to produce too much of the protein zonulin. This excess causes the junctions between cells in the small intestine to open way too much. Toxins and gluten fragments can be released into the bloods, a condition known as leaky gut.

    By all means its your choice to ingest gluten, but you can not turn a blind eye as what it does to your body.
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    I'd like to bring this back up for discussion. So here I sit, 238lbs. It's been a stressful year for me, and that's not going to improve anytime soon. This past year I abandoned any sort of healthy eating, I basically ate like a pregnant chick (actually worse) since that's what I was living with. She actually asked me not to diet because she didn't want to have to lose her baby weight alone. Being the good boyfriend (now husband) that I am, I did as she asked. So I spent the year eating, and lifting. No cardio, just a 531 program. I actually made really good strength gains, hit my goal on the bench and improved all my other lifts as well. I injured my shoulder and took the last 3 months off. Meanwhile my kid was born and we made the decision to drop to a single income. This is where the rest of my stress lies, coupled with the fact that sleep is sporadic. As I sit typing this, I woke up yesterday morning at 9am, and that was the last time I slept. I take baby duty overnight to relieve my wife a few nights a week, and am working long days. Even when I don't get up with the kid at night, he still wakes me up (he has acid reflux and does not sleep well).

    Anyway, I am ready to cut weight. Actually fat, I don't care what my weight is. 3 weeks ago I got back in the gym, attempted a Keto diet (which I've had excellent luck with in the past), and realized I don't have the energy for that. I just don't sleep enough. I'm actually quite lost right now and would like some suggestions. I am ready to lean out, I'm excited for it, and that's exactly where my head is at. I told myself when my girl got pregnant I would finally hit 350 on the bench and I did. Now I'd like to get to like 12% BF. Or less. But I'd be ecstatic with 12%. I have zero plan, don't know which direction I should go. Keto is probably not the best choice until I can get proper rest. I've lost 10lbs in the past 3 weeks, I honestly thought I should lose more. Anyone wanna give a little advice or help?

    Also, I'm not up on why gluten is bad or good, or anything like that. I'd like to keep it as simple as possible so that I don't fail. I don't want to complicate things too much. And by the way, my girl has already lost the baby weight and then some. Go figure....
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    Quote Originally Posted by big ragu View Post
    I'm actually quite lost right now and would like some suggestions.
    Lock in your training schedule and track everything you eat for two weeks with the intention of NOT losing weight.

    Take the total cals consumed over 14 days and divide by 14. That will give you your maintenance cals.

    Subtract 500 cals from your maintenance cals and eat that daily while keeping your training schedule locked in.

    Post your #'s here after determining maintenance for further analysis from teh board.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Holto View Post
    Lock in your training schedule and track everything you eat for two weeks with the intention of NOT losing weight.

    Take the total cals consumed over 14 days and divide by 14. That will give you your maintenance cals.

    Subtract 500 cals from your maintenance cals and eat that daily while keeping your training schedule locked in.

    Post your #'s here after determining maintenance for further analysis from teh board.
    I like the sound of this. I shall track the numbers starting with today, and report back in 2 weeks.
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    Pick the 1st options for each meal off the lists in the diet you posted first, and go at it.

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    On a totally side-note: Congratulations on the new baby!

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    I have high regards to keto diets. I've gone from 464 down to 280's and still dropping. I had most luck when I was heavier, and then from 310 to 290 was stubborn as hell. I took a break and hit it again and dropped 10 pounds quickly, but now I'm just eating clean through the holidays, and then I'll start up Carb Nite again. The first couple of days of keto are always balls for me man, I can't imagine doing that with a newborn in the house. With anything, it's all about consistency. A lot of people's plans and goals would actually work if they were strict and did them day in day out instead of 50-80%. It's hard to gauge progress when half-assed attempts are all you have to go off of. I'm not saying you've only been putting in less than 100%, but in my experience with diets that's the usual culprit for me. When I'm not seeing results I can think back to either not eating enough, or not eating what I am supposed to eat.

    The diet you had laid out for you by the nutritionist is the kind I like to do if I'm just eating cleaner foods. It's easiest for me to just pick from a list each meal and go from there. 2 weeks really isn't enough time to tell what's working and what isn't working. Once you gotten a diet locked in and you've been running it for a while, it's easier to tell what foods do what for you in terms of weight gain etc. But IMO, if you're going to give it a good ol college try, spread it out. Are you measuring your body as well? The scale sucks. When I wasn't losing on the scale or even gaining on the scale my waist line was shrinking, noticeable fat stores were shrinking and I was getting leaner, but not losing actual weight. A lot of diet is head games, and they can really fuck with you man.

    Regarding what Bosch said about parenting and such, I have to completely agree. Many people pour themselves in to their kids, and then once the kids move out they're left with the shell of a marriage. Spouse always comes first. Kids will see that and it will establish good goals and morals for them to follow. Don't neglect or anything obviously, but the relationship with the wife matters, A LOT. It greatly effects our health and happiness too, haha.

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