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    Next step for shoulder issue?

    My shoulder has been injured for over 10 months, I've already posted about it a few times on here.

    I've spent all my available money on an MRI scan hoping to get some serious answers from it, instead my doctor just told me the same shit I already know. He said it was a tendon injury in the shoulder from bench press, because I clearly didn't know that.

    Now this is the part that's really getting to me, he recommends I go see a physio. I've already seen one many MONTHS ago and he couldn't do anything for my injury. Infact, all the stretching and pulling made my shoulder feel worse, and there's proof it didn't work, because I'm still injured...

    So now I'm broke and back to square one. I'm gonna see my doctor Tommorow for a real discussion, but right now I don't even know what I'm meant to be waiting in, I'm just injured and have to accept it.

    Does anyone have any suggestions that don't involve twisting the shit out of my shoulder joint? I've done physio sessions, got some injections(maybe not cortisone), done an X-ray, took anti-inflammatories and now done an MRI, and for some reason my life is still a piece of shit.
    Last edited by KJDANEXT0; 01-29-2014 at 04:48 PM.
    The only lift I'm proud of at this point is a close stance, ass to grass zercher squat of 170kg x2 at 85kg bw. If only they held zercher squat competitions...

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    Man all I can say it that really sucks. I hate when someone has an injury and they recommend stretching. If something is tore? Stretch it! Try taking a shirt with a hole in it and stretch it...what happens? It gets worse! Have you tried elbow sleeves? Or benching in something like a Bench Daddy (highly recommend) or a slingshot?

    I don't remember, did you go see a sports medicine Dr or just a general practitioner? I general trust what Dr's say, but sometimes it feels like they don't quite understand our point of view or areas of great concern unless they're more geared towards the sports medicine area.
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    Tendons heal naturally with rest. How much rest have you given it? What were the injections? The plasma rich stuff is supposed to work well for tendons.
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    Ok guys thanks for taking the time to read this.

    Mark! I don't really have any experience with doctors and how they(try) to solve issues like this. From what I've read online, it seems that doctors try as hard as possible to avoid any surgical procedures if they can. The doctor wasn't available today, so I'm gonna see him tommorow. In your opinion, is it my job to convince the doc that I need surgery? I really have no idea.

    Marcus I've given it months, many months of not doing anything exercise at all, which made me lose over 40lbs of bodyweight. I don't even lift anymore because of this.

    What I think the doc doesn't understand here is that I don't want to play it safe and avoid surgery at all costs and get it to a tolerance level of pain, I want to take the option which will give me as much of my old function as possible.
    The only lift I'm proud of at this point is a close stance, ass to grass zercher squat of 170kg x2 at 85kg bw. If only they held zercher squat competitions...

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    I don't let doctors tell me how to rehab injuries. I do it myself. With that said, can you describe your issue in greater detail? Is there weakness, or just pain, or both? What motions CAN you do with minimal pain?

    Why would you not exercise at all?


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    I think there comes a lot of working around the injury to consider. I wouldn't be all hyped up on surgery just yet, if there was something that wrong, I believe the doctors would have mentioned you're going to need surgery. Like Marcus said, tendons will heal themselves over time given the chance to do so. I was experiencing some pretty severe pain in my left elbow and further up in to my left bicep, came back as rotator cuff issues. I started on peptides and started wearing elbow sleeves, working around the issue and so far, my past few bench sessions have been stellar and pain free. Like Chris, there's so much information out there that once the issue is known, the internet will tell you what to do as long as you can cipher through the BS posts and get to the gold nuggets out there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark! View Post
    Man all I can say it that really sucks. I hate when someone has an injury and they recommend stretching. If something is tore? Stretch it! Try taking a shirt with a hole in it and stretch it...what happens? It gets worse! Have you tried elbow sleeves? Or benching in something like a Bench Daddy (highly recommend) or a slingshot?

    I don't remember, did you go see a sports medicine Dr or just a general practitioner? I general trust what Dr's say, but sometimes it feels like they don't quite understand our point of view or areas of great concern unless they're more geared towards the sports medicine area.
    Excellent point! I once went to sev "reg" doctors for a inflammatory issue resulting from a bad peptide reaction and received zero results. Fast forward to a few weeks later, I smartened up and saw someone in the sports medicine area....BINGO....results!

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    Quote Originally Posted by MarcusWild View Post
    Tendons heal naturally with rest. How much rest have you given it? What were the injections? The plasma rich stuff is supposed to work well for tendons.
    KJDANEXT0: Did you ever answer the question BOLDED above?

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    Quote Originally Posted by chris mason View Post
    I don't let doctors tell me how to rehab injuries. I do it myself. With that said, can you describe your issue in greater detail? Is there weakness, or just pain, or both? What motions CAN you do with minimal pain?

    Why would you not exercise at all?
    So I've seen my doctor today and he basically told me that the injury actually doesn't require surgery, just physio but something doesn't sound right. He said it's a tear of the shoulder tendons or could even be a labrum tear. Now I've read up about labrum tears before and many sources said that they cannot be fixed without surgery. Sounds like he's just guessing to me.

    @Chris My injury: My left arm is weak when held up at any angle, and is painful aswell. A straight upwards arm makes my shoulder feel pinched. The pain is not really bad, just constant if I use my arm at all, even if holding a dish to wash it.

    @Mark! I kept training for a while after the injury, I was doing everything except pressing and arm work, such as squats, deads and rows, however despite doing no pressing I think I was making my shoulder worse by doing deadlifts and maybe even rows.


    @Alingshop I went to a general doctor. I think maybe I should go to a sports doctor or a shoulder specialist, actually that will be my next step.

    About what the injection were, I have no clue. I got this done in france, and got it twice, but the doc never told me. He was using an injection gun which moved a small needle to give me very tiny injections in multiple parts of the shoulder. The contents I have no idea. It didn't do much.
    Last edited by KJDANEXT0; 01-31-2014 at 11:47 AM.
    The only lift I'm proud of at this point is a close stance, ass to grass zercher squat of 170kg x2 at 85kg bw. If only they held zercher squat competitions...

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    The injection sounds more like prolotherapy rather than a cortisone shot.

    Prolotherapy can be very beneficial if done right and it sometimes needs to be done more than once.

    As far as the labral tear, you'd need an MRI to know exactly how severe the tear is. If it's a minor tear it can indeed be rehabbed in the sense that the pain is gone, without surgery. But the cartilage itself will not re-attach itself without surgery. I have known a few who went without surgery and had good results and others that got the surgery and had good results as well. It just depends on your situation.

    You really need to get an MRI to be sure.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Travis Bell View Post
    The injection sounds more like prolotherapy rather than a cortisone shot.

    Prolotherapy can be very beneficial if done right and it sometimes needs to be done more than once.

    As far as the labral tear, you'd need an MRI to know exactly how severe the tear is. If it's a minor tear it can indeed be rehabbed in the sense that the pain is gone, without surgery. But the cartilage itself will not re-attach itself without surgery. I have known a few who went without surgery and had good results and others that got the surgery and had good results as well. It just depends on your situation.

    You really need to get an MRI to be sure.
    Thats the thing Travis, I've just done an MRI on Saturday and I still seem to be getting dubious answers from the doc.

    The guy basically said that it could be a labral tear but wasn't sure. I don't know what these people expect from me, I'm not made of money.

    I think I should ring up the people who did the scan, and tell them to forward the MRI to a sports doctor or something.


    But if it's a labral tear I'm not looking for something to just ease the pain, I'm looking for whatever procedure will allow to return to sports which will allow me to use my shoulder properly.
    Last edited by KJDANEXT0; 01-31-2014 at 12:39 PM.
    The only lift I'm proud of at this point is a close stance, ass to grass zercher squat of 170kg x2 at 85kg bw. If only they held zercher squat competitions...

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    Definitely I would send it to a sports doc. There is no way I'd proceed if I didn't know the extent of the injury.


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    I had a slap tear (labrum) and went to an ortho who works on athletes. In his office with him manipulating my shoulder around he was pretty confident that it was my labrum. One move I remember is basically a front raise of the arm do it palm up and palm down, it hurts more one way, I can't remember which, sorry. When I did my MRI they injected dye inside the labrum, the labrum is basically a donut gasket around the shoulder joint, and if the dye leaks out, that is where the labrum is torn from the bone. One of the bicep tendons attaches to the labrum and I tore that too. My rotator was fine so I can't help you there, but basically, there was never any indecision or doubt with the doc about what was the issue. I did require surgery and a year later I have 95% mobility (behind the neck presses and back squats have pain and tightness) but my benching is coming along ok, 315x3 post surgery PR.

    The pain before surgery felt like a sharp pain in my front felt that ran down my bicep, and my bicep alway felt achy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RayceeIII View Post
    I had a slap tear (labrum) and went to an ortho who works on athletes. In his office with him manipulating my shoulder around he was pretty confident that it was my labrum. One move I remember is basically a front raise of the arm do it palm up and palm down, it hurts more one way, I can't remember which, sorry. When I did my MRI they injected dye inside the labrum, the labrum is basically a donut gasket around the shoulder joint, and if the dye leaks out, that is where the labrum is torn from the bone. One of the bicep tendons attaches to the labrum and I tore that too. My rotator was fine so I can't help you there, but basically, there was never any indecision or doubt with the doc about what was the issue. I did require surgery and a year later I have 95% mobility (behind the neck presses and back squats have pain and tightness) but my benching is coming along ok, 315x3 post surgery PR.

    The pain before surgery felt like a sharp pain in my front felt that ran down my bicep, and my bicep alway felt achy.
    Thanks for the input brother, unfortunately I didn't have the dye in my shoulder before the MRI, a bad choice.


    I think that when I see a more competent doc they'll be able to help me out. The guys I've seen so far are useless, so bam I'm gonna take my MRI results to a shoulder specialist my mother knows and see what happens.

    I appreciate everybody's input in here, any more would also be welcome all the information helps.
    The only lift I'm proud of at this point is a close stance, ass to grass zercher squat of 170kg x2 at 85kg bw. If only they held zercher squat competitions...

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    I've been living with my pain in the right shoulder for over 20 years (over the acromioclavicular joint). Since I played rugby and lifting weights, tennis and weightlifting (oly), boxing and weights.... ALWAYS.
    I did everything... absolutely everything. Nothing came up in the X-ray, scan, echography. I tried ultrasound, magneto therapy... everything.
    It was always patching the issue, but never really finding the origin of the problem.
    I ended up with a Quiro/physio who works in a soccer team in my town.
    He made me do a couple of drills, and he determined that the origin of my shoulder pain is the absolute lack of scapular mobility.... WTF? I work mobility EVERY day, I thought.... well, band apart, shoulder dislocation with broomsticks, etc.. Didnít help with this issue in particular.
    Well, I started doing this mobility work 3/4 times a day (quite easy by the way, and you can do it in your office for example... bringing together the scaps, and rotating them. Hands of the wall first, push up position then.... working with a band, specifically impacting the mobility of the infra/supraspinatus), and the guy told me to be patient.... today almost 4 months later, I can work heavy with bench press and no need to ice the shoulder after that. The same with overhead press (i had to take painkillers [diclofenac]).
    So, I just wanted to share my experience with you.... don't get desperate.
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